One Gospel?

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Do you have the foggiest idea what you are talking about??????
I sure don't??????? </font>[/QUOTE]Read it again. It makes sense. Christian faith, ituttut

 

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QUOTE]Originally posted by UZThD:

To each his own, and I also believe the characteristic of God is self-derived.


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BRO IT:

The ISSUE is that the doctrine of about 80-90% of Christendom (using the term broadly) [[INCLUDING the translators of the KJV, see Art. II of 39 Articles of 1562]]is that the Father from ETERNITY begets the DIVINE (not just the body) nature of God the Son.

Therefore were this true, the SON as GOD (NOT just as Man) is DERIVED from the Father and is not at all self derived as both you and I seem to think.

A PRINCIPAL evidence for this doctrine is the translation of monogenes as ONLY BEGOTTEN and, in part, what perpetuates it is the refusal to suppose that translation could POSSIBLY be incorrect.

Yesterday I talked for two hours with two Mormon elders/missionaries. They think Joseph Smiths "INSPIRED" version , of which I have a copy , though even some Mormons do not know the existence of, is the correct translation because God inspired Smith to translate.

I brought out a Greek Testament and showed them how Smith was wrong because it disagreed with the Greek.

But they reasoned this way:

God would preserve His Word with inspiration.
God did this through Smith.
Therefore, Smith's translation is correct.

It makes NO difference to them, or I sadly infer, to you, what John actually wrote in Greek.

It only matters in their case how Smith translated, and in your case how the Church of England translated.

Here's a challenge, open up just a teensy bit to the possibility that the Greek word that John wrote does not mean ONLY BEGOTTEN.

If you will do that , I will supply the evidence that it rather means "only one" or "unique" without at all any notion of derivation by a begetting.

Will you do that? Or will you be like those Mormons in this regard and cling to what translators wrote instead of what John wrote?

UZ </font>[/QUOTE]Friend and brother UZThD how did we start off on equal footing, and then you jump ship over a word? You say, “all self derived as both you and I seem to think”. Then you leave me standing with the statement “Or will you be like those Mormons in this regard and cling to what translators wrote instead of what John wrote?”

I believe the Word (God) became flesh, “the one and only” or in words as most Bible’s inform, true to the Spirit reflecting “Only Begotten” Son of God, and God was man as He was God.

I already believe what you say is true, for to me it makes no difference if the wording is “Only Begotten” Son of God, or “The One and Only” Son of God.

We know in the Godhead none is more eternal than the other. I believe there is Only One God The Father, Only One God The Son, Only One God The Spirit, And this is My God for By the Spirit I Come to The Father Through My Lord and Savior God The Son. His name is Jesus Christ. Christian faith, ituttut.

 

Without faith, we are unable to please Him. Job is like all the rest, he came By faith. Christian faith, ituttut. </font>[/QUOTE]Under what Gospel? </font>[/QUOTE]Job came as all Hebrews, by the grace of God those that made covenant with Him, to keep the commandments, the Law and ordinances. They came by faith in the Lord their God of Israel.

 

Same question by OldRegular:
So, what does this have to do with who started the church in Rome????????

The gospel of Paul is the gospel of Christ Jesus from heaven. Any and all Christian churches must present the requisites of the Grace of God, through faith, without works, the individual believing on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation. Coming through the faith of Jesus Christ as He shed His blood is the preaching of the Cross, which puts the individual into the Body of Christ, which Christ revealed to Paul. This gospel was first preached to the Romans by one that received the Gospel from Paul personally, one of his Apostles, disciples, or Epistles.

This is the work of God, and He chose Paul to plant that seed in individuals, which Paul did with great gusto. Did Paul physically begin every church that Christians began? Of course not, but Paul’s gospel is in every one of them, for without Paul’s gospel their can be no Christian church. The Christian church is for both Gentile and those of blood coming through the Twelve Patriarchs. As you correctly pointed out Peter (his gospel of the “great commission”) could not have started the church in Rome for he vowed to only preach to the circumcision.

So did Paul start any Christian church in Italy, or anywhere else? He started every one of them with his gospel, which Christ Jesus gave to him. Churches started by man are just churches (meeting places), but when man interjects the message of Christ Jesus from heaven as He reconciles the world unto Himself, we find that person is of Paul for Christ gave to Paul the Christian message.

Another question by OldRegular:
Just what is the “grace commissiom”? President Reagan created a Grace Commission to look at waste in the Federal Government.

Peter Grace presented his findings to the President. Paul presents you Christ’s “grace commission”.

Further Response by OldRegular:
God has always dealt with man from the standpoint of Grace as first demonstrated when he shed the blood of innocent animals to make a temporary atonement for the sins of Adam and Eve. That Grace was demonstrated continually throughout the Old Testament and was fully revealed through Jesus Christ.as shown in John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

I came through the blood of Christ Jesus, not blood that can only cover and is then gone, that blood of the animals. It didn’t last then, and it won’t last now. God presented that Mercy and Grace to those of the covenant, with the law and the ordinances. Many believed Him as they lived, and accepted what He offered, thus they came by faith as pointed out in Hebrews chapter 11.

Today, and today only He gives a gift. Nowhere since the beginning can we find any that did not have to do a work, until today.

Your statement that

is simply not substantiated by Scripture and is a fifament of your imagination.

There were only two gospels at that time. You have already said it couldn’t have been the “great commission” church. That only leaves one possibility.

Your statement that

is simply false and as I have stated before is heretical.

What else can I say other than you do not believe Christ spoke to Paul and gave to Paul his dispensational gospel. I’ve shown you scripture, and there is more if you will only take the time to read the Epistles of Paul.

Response by OldRegular:

We know that Paul went west at the instruction od God, and eventually went to Rome where someone had already established a church. Scripture does not tell us who. I have never stated that Peter went to India. Please do not misstate my posts. I did say that tradition had Thomas going to India.

You don’t believe Paul, so you evidently believe tradition. However you misquote yourself for I see no term such as ”tradition had Thomas going to India.” Here is verbatim of what you wrote “I would remind him that there were 9 additional Apostles and that some of these traveled as far as India preaching to Gentiles.” I won’t misstate your posts, when you quit misstating them.

Response by OldRegular:

Where in scripture does it state that Phebe delivered the Letter to the Church at Rome to “Priscilla and Aquila”? And don’t quote Romans 16:3 because it doesn’t say that Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:

You can go through life arguing this point, and every point that has anything to do with Paul believing what you wish. But this servant of the church in Cenchrea, did what Paul requested her to do. The first greeting in the passages is to Priscilla and Aquila, and when she greets them she hands them, and the church in their home something that Paul had written. He then presents Phebe to them as a sister in Christ. That letter is then read in that church, and then in other churches in Rome, and then spread to the whole world.

Response by OldRegular:

To bring all this nonsenes to a close there is no such thing as the gospel of Paul. There is only one Gospel, the Gospel of Jesus Christ which Paul states is the power of God unto Salvation. To claim that there is more than one Gospel is contrary to Scripture and is heretical </font>[/QUOTE]Heretical to those that do not believe Paul’s gospel to the Gentile, and the Jew. Christian faith, ituttut

 

Does Paul preach the “great commission” of the Jew, or the “grace commission” of God’s dispensational gospel of, ”But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement”, Romans 5:8-11. Today we come to God “Through our Lord Jesus Christ”. Once Saved Always Saved, and this was not known or preached by anyone until after Damascus Road. This is preaching of the Cross, the Christian message. Isn’t this New? Isn’t this different than any gospel you can find before Christ spoke to Paul from heaven? Can you find one thing that we must do other than to believe on His name? When we believe all things required are taken care of at that time.

Only Now is Justification activated. That message, that gospel before was for holding purposes only, for the blood of animals could not save, but only preserved until those of Old were washed with the Blood of the Lamb. We today are sealed upon belief of our Lord Jesus Christ, the only name under heaven whereby man can be saved. Our blessed Hope is Sure. I Hope He comes today, but if not it will be tomorrow for Sure. When it pleases Him, that Hope will be manifested. Christian faith, ituttut