Featured Where does faith come from? 2nd Rodeo

Cain was punished on earth for murdering his brother. He like all who are going to end up in the Lake of fire are there for 1 reason.

"John 3:
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

This includes Cain the first to believe that not place Faith in Christ. So if God gives Faith then God has condemned them for His not supplying them the Faith to Believe. Yet Jesus said He didn't come to condemn the world that is all mankind, He came to Save All mankind ( the World).
So now the question: If they are condemned because they don't believe on the Son of God as Jesus said, then do you see that this verse reads incorrectly? Should it not say I came to save only those who are given Faith to believe?

For the O.T. people including Cain they were to believe in the Savior who was promised in "Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

The exact thing Cain failed to believe then, do you believe God, that is Christ came not into the world to save the world but that only the chosen were who He came to save. Therefore as 1 John 2:2 states, And He Propitiation is about the misses of us not about the our more yet only but and about whole of the world, again a form of the same term Jesus uses Kosmou. "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only but also for the whole world."
Now let's look at this, He = Jesus id the propitiation=appeasement for our sin: and not for ours (our sin) only but also for the whole world. What did John say Jesus is the propitiation for our sin, that is clearly the believers sin that has been appeased, yet John says not for ours only that is not for our sin only, that is all that can mean then we see a qualifying statement Jesus didn't become the appeasemnt for just our sin again the first part of the verse makes that very clear, but He became the appeasement for the whole world, that has to mean all of mankind, just as John 3:17 and 18 show. It should be clear, people must believe, you and I are just like everyone born we were born totally depraved, covered unto we came to know right from wrong, but totally and utterly depraved. But we both believed, that is placed our faith and trust in christ through Faith, that Faith was a Faith in our nature, how was placed in our nature? Well Genesis 1:26 "Let us make man in our image" God created man with Faith in him because he created us in his image. Part of that image died at the fall, the spiritual life as we are born spiritually dead. But the Faith is still in the soul of man as part of the image of God. Faith is in each of us to believe because God placed it there at creation. Everyone must act upon that Faith in order to not be condemned but those who believe not are condemned already because they fail to believe.

 

I have been for our faith is on the propitiatory sacrifice of Jesus it is after all interconnected

 

Well let's take a verse from revmitchel to now answer the question for Ephesians 2:8&9, which states "for by Grace are we saved by faith and that not of ourselves "it" is the gift of God not of works lest any man should boast" Now whar is the "IT" is it Faith or salvation? Here we have the answer from scripture a verse revmitchell posted, Tomans 6:23 states "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." The wages of sin is death now that is clear, Christ went tot he cross in payment for sin, His payment appease God's required wage for sin. But look at the second part, " the gift of God is eternal life." So the "IT" of Ephesians 2:8 & 9 that is the gift of God is the same gift, eternal life that is salvation. Therefore salvation is the gift of Ephesians 2:8&9 and mot Faith. We faith in us in our soul that responds to the gospel. SG I believe called it inate faith, is inate faith just a small amount yet Jesus said in Luke 17:6 "And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you." The smallest FAith can move mountains and the smallest inate Faith is enough to believe on the Lord Jesus Chirst.

 

Salvation is the gift of God. ......all of it..
Saving faith and repentance are graced to the dead sinner who existed as a spiritual corpse.

 

Galatians 5:2 says a part of the fruit of the Spirit is Faith or Faithfulness as most noted Theologians state it. But we see yet another gift of Faith. Paul dealing with God giving believers gifts not this in
1 Corinthians 12,
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

Notice verse 9 the Spirit is giving some believers the gift of Faith, now this is not Faith for Salvation, but the gift to trust God through all situations in life. Yet a distinction is made here by Paul Some believers receive Faith as a gift not all believers because Paul makes the distinction "To another" not "To ALL". We see a separate gift of faith given after salvation because no gift would be given to an unregenerate person by the Spirit. This distinctly shows some receive a greater measure of Faith than others after salvation.

 

A measure of faith is given to all men. What you do with that faith will determine if you are saved or not.

Many are called few are chosen

 

We see Acts 2:
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Notice verse 37, " when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart" it would be at this point that those who see faith as a gift and that people are regenerated before faith that it would occur, but what did Peter tell them? Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
But better we see how Romans 10:17 applies to these seen in Acts 2:37 when it states "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Their faith came from withing upon being convicted because heard the word and responded to the drawing of the Holy Spirit. Example upon example that we must believe the Gospel and at the point we believe that place Faith in Christ then we are regenerated not vice versa!

 

False teaching 101.

 

I give it the 'friendly' grade due to the fact you are being quite generous in giving it a high ranking of '101'.

 

It must be that you are just so darn irresistible to God. You claim you this grace Is bestowed upon you. But the Messiah has yet to vouch for you as you are not dead. Those men in Matthew 7 thought they had grace also.

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

 

Oh look, it's a troll who casts aspersions from the safety of being behind a monitor, calling others lost. What a rarity!!!!!! Laugh

 

Hello BH,
God saw nothing in us to commend ourselves to Him.
Look at the picture of Ezekiel infant in chapter 16 to get the picture of Christ Jesus setting His love upon ungodly sinners as we are.
To comment as you have indicates a misunderstanding of these truths.
If I misunderstood your intention could you clarify your position at this time?

 

For a "theologian" you don't read very well. I never said you were lost. We a little sensitive? Are you sure you have your parents permission to use the computer today?