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OK, elaborate or start another thread on how this is done. And leave off the slanderous remarks, and back up your accusations as I have. Not one thing I stated concerning you was unfounded nor untrue. Many have called you on this, we're not all wrong, just going by what we see you teaching.

Now, either elaborate or start another thread addressing your accusation.

 

The asininity came from you as you dressed down Calvinists and falsely accused them. If you are unable to own it, then just say so.

You didn't ask anything, btw, you simply accused and assumed you had some ammo against the brothers on here. You're being disingenuous, it was designed to be derogatory in nature.

I say you are confused, and you are, as you have many straw man you've erected. Several have nailed you on this.

 

For the record, I have stated you are confused in your understanding.

I've received back for this that I am asinine, foolish and ignorant. Is that inappropriate behavior as well?

I will reiterate to you jon, that you are confused in what you stated and claimed. Your accusation was in no way a form of a question. It is also unfounded in its accusations.

 

OK.

 

For all this what my post #28 stated. Then IT answered

Now notice mine has a question in it, "So if He gives faith to some and not to others while allowing men by there free will to willfully reject Him does that not bring into question His being a just God as scripture says?"
To which the false accusation of IT came in the quote above. I ask where have I created a God of my own liking in post #28? I stated what Deuteronomy says God is, Deuteronomy 32:4 He is a God of truth and without iniquity just and right is He. and then ask a question, that question is just that a question, not making God anything, Deuteronomy makes Him a God of Truth and a Just God, so what does Just mean and how is quoting scripture classic idolatry?

 

Questions about what is being stated are not stating a position but asking a question concerning what someonelse has stated as their belief, question are how we learn about that position, yet instead of answering the question accusations come calling someone an idolator, accusing them of gross sin.

 

I'll allow the others to address you on this mwc.

 

I know you didn't ask me this question, JonC, but perhaps I can try to answer it.

The only way that we can fathom the justice of God is through the Scriptures in which He has revealed Himself. Revmwc believes that God would be unjust if He gave faith to some but not to others. The Scriptures answer him: 'As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated." What shall we say then? is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion"........' (Romans 9:14ff). There is no injustice in God having mercy upon one set of hell-deserving sinners and not on another set so long as justice is not set aside.

That leads to your question concerning God's holiness and justice. Psalm 7:11 states: 'God is a just judge, and God is angry with sinners every day.' So God's anger against not just sin, but sinners, is not something impulsive, but a steady, continuing displeasure, and it is right that it should be so, because God is a just judge. Proverbs 17:15 states: 'He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just; both of them are an abomination to the LORD.' So God cannot declare the wicked righteous, but must punish them. Therefore it was necessary, in order for God to pardon His elect, that the Lord Jesus Christ should take their sins upon Himself and pay the penalty of them 'that [God] might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus' (Romans 3:26; cf. 2 Corinthians 5:21).

Does that answer your question?

 

But then you ask why He loved Jacob and hated Esau? Was it because He knew them beforehand? If that be true then did Esau have every chance to believe just as Jacob? Doesn't every unrighteous person have every chance to receive the Savior? Thus God has given every person the ability to be saved and yet some believe and others reject of their own volition after being convicted by the Holy Spirit?

 

Revelation 3:19-20, Christ rebukes those He loves. If anyone hasn’t been rebuked, hasn’t been chastened by Christ they need to check up on their salvation and make sure it is by “Grace through Faith”. Christ rebuked them out of love just as He does for all who have truly received Him as their savior. Christ loved their souls hated their sin but loved their souls. They needed only to comply to His rebuke and chastening of them as believers. Christ is knocking at the door for them. Christ continues to deal with them in Grace. Those who were saved and in Operational death, they must repent and come to Him and He will sup with them. Anyone who hasn’t trusted Him can come to Him and sup with Him. But there is no wholesale revival in this church of the rights of the people. No major turning or returning to Christ, it is near death except for a small remnant… Christ finds a door closed against Him in the heart of the sinning believer. But when He finds that heart shut He continues to knock. Paul’s teaching to Timothy in 2 Timothy 4:3 is seen here in the Laodicean church. That time has come! How many are flocking to churches where they don’t have the truth, they don’t endure sound doctrine. Christ knocks in vain to so many. But they refuse to let Him in and therefore remain in Operational Death, they are failing to operate under the Filling of the Spirit because they refuse to confess their sins and allow Him to sup with them.

 

My question is not dealing with binding God to a set of standards. Does God have a set of standards He has given to us? If so would His standards be different from those He holds us too? In other words when Christ says for instance what we see in John 3:18 is He saying that some will because God gave them Faith believe and yet the others who don't believe and are condemned by that unbelief do so by their own volition, or does God allow all to by volition to make a choice to believe or reject? God is not bound to any standards and yet what does it mean to be just as Deuteronomy state? The Hebrew is

Tsaddiyq= tsad-deek’=just, lawful, righteous, just, righteous in government, just, right in one’s cause, just righteous in conduct and character, righteous as justified and vindicated by God, right, correct, lawful. So god in everything He does is right and lawful, what is right and lawful well the 10 commandments are part of that standard. Proverbs gives more things, Proverbs 6:
16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

These are His Standards, but wait if Jesus and for that matter Paul stated that one must believe and yet God doesn't allow the unregenerate to come then what would that make Jesus and Paul?
Romans 10:13 says Whosoever shall call upon the Name of the Lord will be saved, so is the whosoever limited to just those God allows? 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Notice Jesus died once for sin, it doesn't limit the Atonement here does it, He died once for sin whose sin, well according to other scripture we see what He has done,
1 Peter 1:
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

We see this too "ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit" It appears believers have purified their souls in obeying the truth, what is the Truth that we have obeyed,
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Again and again the command is believe, was the jailer already regenerated at this point before He believed, or di he obey the truth throught the conviction of the Spirit?

 

So God set standards for mankind and holds them to those standards, so then Is God bound to those standards Himself or just man? Is that binding God?

 

Here's the problem...your answer is responding to something I didn't say. Trying again, Describing the fullness of salvation can be hard. God is able to save, even when don't get the words "exactly right" because God is able to examine the heart, the intent, the motives of the individual.

Demanding a specific kind of response instead of celebrating and discipling someone who tells you "they asked Jesus into their heart" is formulaic at best, Pharisaical at worst. God doesn't need you protecting salvation.

 

Cool Good verse which absolutely destroys the Calvinist's/Determinist's view that God must force Himself into one's heart with the truth that He is a just God of judgment.

 

Now what about Jesus could He have violated the Ten Commandments and still be the perfect sacrifice, He was after all God, did He have standards was He just and true? Did He as God meet certain standards or do we bond Him in asking these questions?