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Whoa, sorry...it's late. I missed a very key word...a doctrine will NOT send a person to hell, they were already destined from the word go.

 

Like I said to sovereignGrace, my apologies I missed a key word.

To say God ensnares the wicked with more wickedness is foul. The "god of this world" is the one who blinds the eyes.

Either way....Paul Washers statement is illogical in light of Calvinism.

 

Again, man was made without sin. He was not predestined to heaven, hell, purgatory, Valhalla, or any other place. When Adam sinned, we all sinned, being his posterity. God would have been just if He left us in our fallen state and died and went to hell. That was the destiny(destine) of all mankind if Christ had not come in the flesh. He came in the flesh to redeem His ppl, so save them from their sins, based solely on the fact that God predestined them to be conformed to the image of Christ.

 

Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

I've said all I can here. Paul Washer's statement that "the carnal christian doctrine sends more people to hell..." is illogical and inconsistent with Calvinism.

 

What do you see in that doctrine that is illogical? Also, do you agree that ppl can be a carnal Christian? I ask to gain better clarity of your position. Thanks in advance.

 

Why the attitude, the angst with me? I think this is the first time I have conversed with you. And it was you who came in sideways.

Please explain why you think it's illogical. Thanks again.

 

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.

His statement is illogical. I am not even talking about the specifics of "carnal Christianity"

 

Paul Washer's quote was spot on and consistent with all of his teachings. He's solid as they come biblically speaking.

Ppl say they are saved, they live worldly, but because they prayed a prayer, they are told they are alright. Until they stand before Him, that is.

 

Why do you find it illogical? I think he's spot on. I am asking you to clarify your stance. Tell me why you believe it's illogical. Thanks again.

 

First, I enjoy listening to Paul Washer. I agree with most of what he says.

Now, I disagree with this specific statement, "the doctrine of carnal Christianity sends more people to hell..."

In light of calvinism, the doctrine of carnal Christianity is irrelevant when concerning the eternal destination (not destiny) of a soul. If a person wasn't elect then no matter what they believe, they are still going to hell. Carnal Christianity wasn't the determining factor of eternal hell for that person, it was because they weren't predestined to be among the elect.

 

He's my fav. As solid as they come, in my opinion.

I think it's consistent with the rest of theology.

Carnal Christianity approves of professed believers living like reprobates for extended periods of time. I agree that Christians sins. I agree we can commit gross sins. But to live like the world without having a life rife with repentance? Absolutely not. So that doctrine has ppl settling short of the saving grace of God. They are being fed this doctrine is biblical when i's not. If that's the case, ppl need to erase 1 John 3 or even erase the book of 1 John out.

Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.[1 John 3:4-6]

 

Ok, eitherway...the doctrine of carnal Christianity didn't send them to hell as PW suggests.

 

Please don't. This is getting to bea really good thread. Please don't close it.

 

I'm not saying I agree with carnal Christianity bro. I'm saying the doctrine of carnal Christianity doesn't send anyone to hell...it's the position of their soul in regard to a Just and Holy God that sends one to hell.

 

Ppl don't go to hell for being a carnal Christian, for being a Mormon, Jehovah's Witness, h0m0sexual, but based solely upon the fact they died in their sins, not have them atoned, covered by the Lamb's blood.

But that doctrine has caused many to believe they were saved and they were not.

 

sure, I'm not doubting this.

All I'm saying is that PW made an illogical and untrue statement. Carnal Christianity does NOT send anyone to Hell as he says. Dying in their sin is what causes them to go to hell.

 

But what he is saying is this doctrine sends them to hell because they believe they are saved when they are not. They go around saying they're a child of the King, when they are nothing more than a proselyte Jew who is a twofold child of Satan of those who told them it was okay to live that lifestyle. They honestly think they are okay to live carnally and they are still saved. I agree with Brother Paul Washer and think he is spot on.

You have every right to disagree with it. I just think Brother Paul is on the $$$.