Featured Man's relationship to God today

Grammatical suicide.

Maybe you should stick with prepositions.

This...


Jeremiah 31:31-34

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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


...is spoken in the prophetic tense.

So is this:


John 14:15-18

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15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


So is this...


John 14:20-24

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20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.


But since you ignored them the first, and second, and third time around, I am quite sure you will ignore them again.

Or perhaps, another carnal lecture as to how you understand this better than Christ and John.


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I agree.



Not one passage you present states "the new birth is receiving a good heart," which goes to your argument that men cannot do good except they be born again.

Read Ezekiel 36:27 again and you will see that it is the Indwelling of God that allows men to do...good. Because it is that indwelling that causes men to walk in His statutes and to keep His judgments.

This was true for the Old Testament Saint, it is still true for those Eternally Indwelt.

After you have consulted your proof-texts again, and understand that the New Birth is not defined as receiving a good heart, then perhaps you can see why your grammar is very poor math indeed.



Now, find me one verse that teaches that the New Birth is receiving a good heart.


God bless.

 

What sin do you lay to the charge of infants?

Which is it, infants are quickened at death, as you have taught, or they are quickened through God giving them revelation in the womb, as you have taught.

Answer the questions posed to you, and you will see they are not irrelevant.


God bless.

 

I don't "want to win," I am winning.

Because I can address your questions and doctrine, yet you cannot return the favor.

Insult and assertion does not deal with the issues.


God bless.

 

I like to call that exposition and expounding upon, but, I can see how someone that teaches two different things at the same time might get confused.




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I do not deny anything. Peter also knew his Redeemer lived, and in a far greater way than Job did, because he (1) had his Redeemer standing right in front of him and (2) had revelation from the Father that Jesus was the Christ...the Son of the Living God.

And that didn't nullify the fact that the Mystery of the Gospel was still unrevealed to Peter:


Matthew 16:20-23

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20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.


As I said, grammatical suicide.

When all you need to do is just pay attention to what the speaker is saying.

You think you can grammatically justify erroneous beliefs which really do deny clear statements of Scripture.

Deny this again...


Ephesians 3:4-6

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4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:


Go ahead and argue that the Mystery of Christ applies...only to Gentiles. Just bear in mind that the moment you do, you have just created a scenario where God only revealed the Gospel unto Jews, and that only they understood it. And just as I have said before numerous times...

...you then have to justify your denial that both Jew and Gentile are made into the new man that didn't exist before.

Deny this...


Romans 16:24-26

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24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

...again.


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That the Spirit of God according to Promise did not come until Christ arose and returned to Heaven is a very Biblical, and very supportable position.

Which is contrasted with your own...that the Spirit that is specifically stated as having not come yet was already there. If you want to deny it, I have several of your carnal lectures to import.

It is Biblical and supportable also to teach...

The Baptism with the Holy Ghost is New Covenant Provision that is the immersion of the believer into God.

That the Ministry of the Holy Ghost, which has always been present in the World, has changed.

That the New Covenant believer did not arrive until Pentecost.

The Church began at Pentecost.

New birth is Spiritual Regeneration.

Remission of sins was not made perfect, hence the believer was not made perfect, until Christ died.


These are just a few issues you deny, which are not only Biblical and supportable, they are, evidenced by your attempts...incontrovertible. You have offered up nothing that suggests that either men were born again before Pentecost, or, that men could not be saved in the Old Testament based on Justification which resulted from faith.

Your denials are clear.


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Enough of the excuses, just give me a verse.

You are teaching that those who are born again are inherently...good. Because they have a good heart now.

Great. Many will like to have their ears tickled with nonsense like that, because their hearts are already predisposed to elevate themselves over others.

Another carnal lecture absolutely devoid of Scriptural Basis.

Now back up your doctrine and give a verse relevant to New Birth that states "the new birth is receiving a good heart."


God bless.

 

Again we see you contradicting yourself. Do I need to remind you that you have said we are not perfected yet?

The Perfection taught in Hebrews does not refer to glorification, it refers to completion of foundational Doctrines of Christ.

Who are the "spirits of just men made perfect?"


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Here is your proof-text:


Romans 3:25-26

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25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


God was justified in this verse?

God is the Justifier, the one believing on Christ the one justified.

Now address the remission of sins that are past.

Was God not justified when He, as you teach...forgave men their sins the same way He does in this Age?

Now when exactly did God "set forth Jesus Christ" again, Biblicist?

What is said here to be propitious?

Can you show me how the Old Testament Saint had faith in the Blood (Death) of Christ?

You can't even show the first disciple of Christ that had faith in Christ's death.

Deny, or ignore (whichever shoe fits best), this again...



Mark 16:9-14

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9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.

11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

13 And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.

14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.


Tell me again how the Old Testament Saints, who had not received the understanding of the Mystery of the Gospel, had faith in the Death of Christ...when His Own disciples, who heard the Gospel straight from the Lord Himself...

...did not?


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Amazing.

Are you making it this easy on purpose?


God bless.

 

Romans 3:25-26

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25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


Underlined refers to God the Father, emboldened refers to the Son.

Ultimately this is moot seeing that Christ is God.

Maybe you can entertain yourself with the prepositions. You're certainly not interested in the statements themselves.

Not hard to correlate the forbearance of God with retroactive remission of sins of the past.

Now is that the second time you have made me address this? Third? Perhaps the fourth?

Oh, that's right, the fourth was yesterday...


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Again we see your "Mere Formality Gospel."

Shameful.

First you improperly interpret a passage, then impose your doctrine into Job's understanding that he is in need of Redemption.

Here is another example of those who understood that Christ would redeem:


Luke 24:19-21

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19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:

20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.

21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

Here's another:


Luke 2:25

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25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.


Here's one more:


Luke 2:36-38

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36 And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;

37 And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.

38 And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.


Seems most understood that Redemption was a future event. How is it you don't?


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Sorry, but we do not see Gentiles specifically stated here:


Romans 16:24-26

King James Version (KJV)


24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

It is not Gentile Inclusion that was kept secret since the world began. It is the Gospel which is the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the Mystery.

We also understand it as the Hidden Wisdom:


1 Corinthians 2:5-10

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5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.


Here...


Ephesians 3:4-6

King James Version (KJV)


4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:


...it is specific to Gentile Inclusion but that does not negate nor nullify that no man had this revelation prior to this Age.

What yo would have to teach is that Gentiles were the only ones that did not know, and the one glaring fact that troubles such a position is that this would have to also be taught as meaning...Gentiles could not be saved prior to this Age. What utter nonsense your doctrine forces you to teach.

It is just basic:


Hebrews 1:1-2

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1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;


Your position fails to understand this statement. You do not distinguish between the Ages, the revelation of those Ages, and the Provision of those Ages.


1 Peter 1:9-12

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9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.


Here's another look at the Mystery:


Ephesians 1:5-10

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5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Another:


Colossians 1:25-27

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25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:


Again, the context centers on Gentile Inclusion, but let me ask you...

...who are the "Ages and Generations" in view?

Just the Gentiles?

But you won't answer, will you?


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Martin, perhaps you would explain why you disagree. Be glad to have some other antagonists in this debate.


God bless.