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However, the most damning argument against your whole position is that Paul explicitly and clearly states that God's covenant with Abraham was "IN CHRIST" - Gal. 3:17.
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
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Paul is arguing that the Mosaic law cannot dissanul that covenant because it was made "IN CHRIST."
Being "IN CHRIST" is what makes that covenant stand.
This text forever repudiates your position and you have never been able to refute it.
You have never been able to refute David's words that God has removed his sins from him as far as the East from the west.
You have never been able to refute the PRESENT TENSE statement by David that his sins "ARE" forgiven.
You are not fighting me, you are fighting God and you need to think about that.
In every context where the "mystery" of the gospel is mentioned it is contextually defined as applying to GENTILES and the "mystery" is that God would turn away from Israel to Gentiles and make the them fellowheirs in salvation and in the church. However, it seems you are incapable of understanding that, even if you read it.
Now, look again at the very last verse you quoted. What does it say?
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Don't you realize the whole Judaizer movement dealt with in Acts 15 and in Galatians were Jews who rejected this "mystery" but attempted to make Gentiles Jewis proselyties by circumcision????
Darrell C said: ↑
Romans 3:25-26
King James Version (KJV)
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Underlined refers to God the Father, emboldened refers to the Son.
Ultimately this is moot seeing that Christ is God.
Maybe you can entertain yourself with the prepositions. You're certainly not interested in the statements themselves.
Not hard to correlate the forbearance of God with retroactive remission of sins of the past.
Now is that the second time you have made me address this? Third? Perhaps the fourth?
Oh, that's right, the fourth was yesterday...
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....and your point is???? Your distinctions prove my point not your point! Can you see the contrast between "past" and "at this time"? The natural objection would be that God would be unjust to remit sins prior to the provision being actually made in time. However, remission was made upon the validity of God's "promise" that Christ would come and would provide the provision. Time demonstrated God's promise to be true and declared God to be "just" in "justifying" Old testament saints when they believeThe issue is how could God be justified for remitting sins prior to the provision? Don't you realize it is Abraham that Paul is setting forth to illustrate this very thing?
Darrell C said:
The Biblicist said: ↑
Just think for a moment. The problem of sin and spiritual separation from God is not an EXTERNAL issue or problem but an INTERNAL issue and problem.
Wow, what a great revelation.
I would think the four thousand posts already discussing that issue would be enough to clarify that this is not a point that needs further clarification.
What needs further clarification is your teaching that infants are quickened in the womb, or, you can clarify your teaching that infants are quickened at death.
You choose.
Your OP states it is absurd to think one could be saved yet separated from God.
Right?
Yet you have seen your view dismantled because the obvious point is that infants are saved though while physically alive they remain separated from God. You have had to flip flop your doctrine because of your failure to think this through, or be familiar with the subject before teaching about it, and it continues to get worse for you because you keep making ludicrous statements.
So just focus on that issue, and give a definitive statement as to when it is that the infant that dies in the womb receives the life of Christ.
No, this simple truth completely destroys your whole position and that is why you ridicule, make snide remarks BECAUSE YOU CANNOT HONESTLY DEAL WITH IN WITH REGARD TO YOUR POSITION.
You have the holy Spirit working with those WITHOUT GOD, WITHOUT LIFE, WITHOUT LIGHT, WITHOUT HOLINESS
which is oxymoronic - self -contradictory as you have them one and the same time WITH and WITHOUT God,
at one and the same time WITH practical active righteousness but WITHOUT the very internal essentials necesssary for anyone to practice righteousness.
Your position has them at one and the same time WITHOUT GOD but yet friends of God and walking with God. Your theory is simply false.
Darrell C said:Darrell C said: ↑
I'll come back to this post but wanted to point out that the Cross is very much found in this statement.
Simply amazing.
We don't need to see "The Cross" to know that is the Death being referred to. lol
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Who is denying his death is implicit in this post-cross passage? It is the "cross" as the instrument of death that was repugnant to the Jewish mind. Peter could not reconcile in his MIND the death of Christ as the king of Israel who was now alive in front of him. However, that does not mean he did not trust in him as Savior from his sins. His problem was one of understanding what had not yet been provided a historical context of fulfillment.
Peter and the rest (Old Testament saints) trusted "IN HIM" for salvation without understanding "how" it would be accomplished in time and space.
For example, the cross is not found in the gospel summarized by Paul according to the Old Testament Scriptures (1 Cor. 15:3-4), but yet not inconsistent with it when fulfilled.
Darrell C said:For example, the cross is not found in the gospel summarized by Paul according to the Old Testament Scriptures (1 Cor. 15:3-4), but yet not inconsistent with it when fulfilled.
Darrell C said: ↑
I'll come back to this post but wanted to point out that the Cross is very much found in this statement.
Simply amazing.
We don't need to see "The Cross" to know that is the Death being referred to. lol
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So, the pre-cross gospel did not contain the cross as an essential for salvation, but nevertheless, it was consistent with the pre-cross gospel when the completed picture was fulfilled.
For example, the cross is not found in the gospel summarized by Paul according to the Old Testament Scriptures (1 Cor. 15:3-4), but yet not inconsistent with it when fulfilled.
It is the "cross" as the instrument of death that was repugnant to the Jewish mind. Peter could not reconcile in his MIND the death of Christ as the king of Israel who was now alive in front of him.
However, that does not mean he did not trust in him as Savior from his sins.
His problem was one of understanding what had not yet been provided a historical context of fulfillment.
Darrell C said:Darrell C said: ↑
What sin do you lay to the charge of infants?
Again, a diversion tactic. They are born sinners by birth as is all who don't die in infancy.
You are simply wrong! Sin is the problem and spiritual separation when conceived is the consequence. Sin brings death not death brings sin and death is SPIRITUAL SEPARATION.
Darrell C said:Darrell C said: ↑
Which is it, infants are quickened at death, as you have taught, or they are quickened through God giving them revelation in the womb, as you have taught.
Tell me, is it contradictory to claim that WHEN (the point of death) an infant is in the womb they can die in the womb and AT the same point of death in the womb they can be supernaturally saved by divine revelation that provide regenerative faith,
thus given ability to beleive AT the point of death in the womb which preivously they were without becuase there was no previous divine intervention up to that POINT in time???
Look if my words are too big or to difficult for you to understand, I can use one syllable terms?(lol).
Once again you are confusing belief in the Person of Jesus as the Christ and Son of the Living God with failing to understand and accept the specific but unfulfilled means by which Christ would die. Crucifixion was regarded as a "curse" by the Jews and it was unthinkable that the Christ would be crucified. Peter did not have complete picture to make sense of the cross until after it occurred.
So, the pre-cross gospel did not contain the cross as an essential for salvation, but nevertheless, it was consistent with the pre-cross gospel when the completed picture was fulfilled.
For example, the cross is not found in the gospel summarized by Paul according to the Old Testament Scriptures (1 Cor. 15:3-4), but yet not inconsistent with it when fulfilled.
For example, the cross is not found in Paul's argument that he preached "none other things" which Moses and the prophets did say would come (Acts 26:22-23).
For example, the cross is not found in Peter's description of the Old Testament gospel (Acts 10:43) but was not inconsistent with it as Acts 10:37-42 demonstrate.
Once again you are confusing belief in the Person of Jesus as the Christ and Son of the Living God with failing to understand and accept the specific but unfulfilled means by which Christ would die.
Redemption was not based upon unrevealed gospel aspects but only on revealed gospel aspects. Peter had already believed in the gospel preached by the last Old Testament prophet - John the Baptist and that gospel is preached in John 3:36 and John 1:29 all without mention of the cross as the specific means.
The cross was not essential to the gospel until after its occurrence and therefore did not alter the fact they already had their names written in heaven before the cross, already had eternal life by faith, already had the Holy Spirit dwelling "with" them individually as in personal indwelling but not as in institutional indwelling.
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