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Every soul in heaven is elect, every soul in hell is a reprobate.

That said we just knocked out 1,2 and 3.

How we get born again is GOD's prerogative. If he wants people being born again by eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, well hey he calls the shots.


Peter has matter factly said:

1 Peter 1
23for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.

^ "you have been born again through the living and enduring word of God."


Therefore WORD OF GOD makes BORN AGAIN.


Why is Peter writing it the way I WANT IT? Not the way you want it?

I don't have to give you 1, 2 ,3s Because I already agree with exactly what is said.


Your selling the word of God short. You think its weak.

John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


You know what sell me this: Tell me you cannot be born again THROUGH GOD.

And I'll admit defeat.


Romans 10

14How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? 15How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!”
16However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, “LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?” 17So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

Self-explanatory.

NO FAITH, NO BORN AGAIN.

WORD OF CHRIST FIRST > then you get faith> then you get born again.

It does not say you get born again first> get faith> then you hear word of GOD.

BACKWARDS, BACKWARDS, BACKWARDS.

 

The Holy Spirt quickens/enables the sinner to receive the Gospel, as natural man receives not the things that are spirital!
The Gospel is the tool the Spirit ues to get the sinner that he quickens to get saved, so it works on only the elect...

The Gospl can be preached all day to building full of peple, NONE will get saved apart from the work of thHoly Spirit!

 

Again you show no scripture. You got to do little bit more then ignore scripture or plugging your ears.


John 1
12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.


HE gave the RIGHT to become Children of God, Election is God GIVEN status.

Can only be given to those BORN AGAIN. How does one get born again?


1 Peter 1
23for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.

The WORD of GOD causes BORN AGAIN.

 

Brother Martin gave to you the truth, what do yo do with that?

 

His 3 points got nothing to do with born again.

Every soul in heaven is ELECT. Every Soul in hell is a reprobate.

EVERY Elect soul God God's help grace ect.

That's not the focus of attention.




The Focus is when/how/why are you born again.


Scripture STATES that a person is born again THROUGH THE WORD OF GOD.


According to the doctrine of Total Depravity. There is NO difference between you and a reprobate other then God's righteous act of election. And that is all on God.

So capability-wise you have the same ZERO as a reprobate, because it is only GOD who is righteous.


But I'm cutting you off at a different angle. BORN AGAIN. Only through the WORD of GOD can one be BORN AGAIN.




A) Its like saying, Only those who learn to drive a car, can drive a car.

B) But the "Driving BIBLE" says Only those who get in a car and drive will LEARN to drive a car.


That's the problem your having^


A) Its like saying ONLY those BORN AGAIN can understand the WORD OF GOD.

B) But the BIBLE says BORN AGAIN is a result of the WORD OF GOD.

 

How do you handle the Romans 8 passage regarding the sinner is saved by God fully, no part of the sinner actually involved, other than exercising faith, which was a gift from God to them any ways?

 

Everything Good is God's grace. Even your own life, When did you create yourself? What part where you involved in your own creation?

Your error is believing God doesn't have the capacity of creating something that can make choices.


Luke 6

46“Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?


How would you answer Jesus? Well Jesus, I don't do what you say because you willed it that way!


You would argue the devil is not the enemy. After all he can't do nothing for or against God.

Even evangelizing, What are you doing even explaining yourself to me? If you totally convinced that ONLY GOD can make me understand.

If for a minute I believed that theology, I wouldn't be talking to you knowing that any work on my part is IMPOSSIBLE to aid you in understanding.

Oh Yeshua doesn't believe me? Do I talk to Yeshua about it, to help him understand? Absolutely not, If I'm claiming GOD has to do it.

My conversation would be like this: Hey Yeshua, oh you don't understand the gospel?.......well I went ahead and asked God to explain it to you.

THE END, PERIOD!!!

That's what someone with common sense sounds like in your faith. I wouldn't sit there beating a dead horse!

The only problem here with Calvinist.....Is they don't even believe in Calvinism.

Every post you answer back is proof your wrong.



If you lock your keys in the car and you know for a fact that ABSOLUTELY the only guy who can open it is the locksmith do you:

A. Start scratching the car door, telling the car door why he don't open for you? (your doing that right now)

B. Call the LOCKSMITH (GOD ALMIGHTY) ask him if he can open the door?


The answer is B!!!!!!!!

 

i am curious, do Catholics believe in the corruptible influence of origination sin?

 

Yes, but that watr baptising of babies takes way original sin an grants the Holy Spirit!

 

What is the messag of the Gospel? The real one, and not the Catholic one?

 

Original sin is no problem, your not born in heaven but on earth.

Wounded maybe, not totally depraved. Your nature is not sin or "sin nature" Sin is UN-natural.

If Human nature is SIN, you got a problem with Jesus Christ never becoming human or insisting Jesus is a sinner.

Sin is not your nature period. In fact Jesus Christ is the proof.

 

Only until you sin...then you have the sacrament of Penance (confession---generally administered by a priest) to help you sinners expunge your sins). A true Baptist process is to repent.

In any event, a RC baptist baptism is accomplished by proxy...IE the Godparents serve as the people renouncing Satan & who knows for certain that they are not themselves living in a state of grace?

 

Then define Original Sin.

 

I am Catholic. The Gospel is Jesus Christ. Oh you said not the catholic one!...... sorry your getting the catholic one.

The MESSAGE is Love God and Love neighbor. WHO is the gospel is Jesus Christ.

Now if you walk up to Catholic what is a gospel he's going to tell you Matthew Mark Luke and John.

The nutshell is Lord's prayer. Sermon on mount.


Gospel means GOOD NEWS. What do you do when you run into a "reprobate"?

"GOOD NEWS your going to hell and God doesn't love you"?

"GOOD NEWS we don't know if God elected you or not"

"Good News I know I'm saved because I am a coward who always tells people what they want to hear"


Now do I say to myself well the CATHOLIC GOSPEL......Jesus Christ better then everyone elses gospel?

No because I don't VILIFY you Yesuhua. I know Jesus Christ is your gospel or that's what your going to mean. I don't say your evil or seek evil doctrine. I might say your mistaken not consistent. But I don't accuse you of evil.

I don't have to play dirty, I don't have to make up what you believe. Oh he worships a onions secretly and loves to throw mud at puppy dogs.

I might say your ignorant and don't know better. I don't believe your a bad person.

 

Which one, babies have original sin removed until they sin, or Spirit removed when sin?

 

The ONLY Gospel is that we are sinners, Jesus died in our place fo toe sins, and that all we do is received Jesus thru faith alone!

 

Its when Adam and Eve disobeyed God.


But I'm going to presume you want to know what I believe that means for us.


http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p7.htm

The link above explains what we believe. I put a portion here.

402 All men are implicated in Adam's sin, as St. Paul affirms: "By one man's disobedience many (that is, all men) were made sinners": "sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned."289 The Apostle contrasts the universality of sin and death with the universality of salvation in Christ. "Then as one man's trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one man's act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for all men."290
403 Following St. Paul, the Church has always taught that the overwhelming misery which oppresses men and their inclination towards evil and death cannot be understood apart from their connection with Adam's sin and the fact that he has transmitted to us a sin with which we are all born afflicted, a sin which is the "death of the soul".291 Because of this certainty of faith, the Church baptizes for the remission of sins even tiny infants who have not committed personal sin.292
404 How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? The whole human race is in Adam "as one body of one man".293 By this "unity of the human race" all men are implicated in Adam's sin, as all are implicated in Christ's justice. Still, the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state.294 It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. And that is why original sin is called "sin" only in an analogical sense: it is a sin "contracted" and not "committed" - a state and not an act.
405 Although it is proper to each individual,295 original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam's descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence". Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ's grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.
406 The Church's teaching on the transmission of original sin was articulated more precisely in the fifth century, especially under the impulse of St. Augustine's reflections against Pelagianism, and in the sixteenth century, in opposition to the Protestant Reformation. Pelagius held that man could, by the natural power of free will and without the necessary help of God's grace, lead a morally good life; he thus reduced the influence of Adam's fault to bad example. The first Protestant reformers, on the contrary, taught that original sin has radically perverted man and destroyed his freedom; they identified the sin inherited by each man with the tendency to evil (concupiscentia), which would be insurmountable. The Church pronounced on the meaning of the data of Revelation on original sin especially at the second Council of Orange (529)296 and at the Council of Trent (1546).297

 

So when do we ge the sin nature then? Are we born without it, andthen get it once we in? And how do we get saved then?.

When dos a atholic know they have been saved and have etrnal life and now go to heaven?

 

Jesus Christ is the Gospel.

Paul who wrote your motto, was not saved by faith alone. He had no faith at all. In fact he was out killing Christians. He was in blasphemy 1 timothy1.

Acts 9 “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”

This is where Jesus saves Paul. Paul was not doing good works. Paul did not have faith. Paul was not reborn. Paul did not have the holy spirit.

Paul is disqualified in every conceivable way of receiving salvation.


1 timothy 1

15It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all. 16Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life.


Paul is example of Jesus' PERFECT PATIENCE.

We are even told Jesus' motivation to help Paul was because Paul was evil. Rather then because he did anything right, or had a faithful status.

13even though I was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent aggressor. Yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief;


Jesus Christ is Kind, Loving and Merciful go figure.


1 timothy 1
5But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.