Featured What if brother Paul Washer were to preach in your church?

The easiest way to answer this would be to list the 5 points of Grace as the method God uses to save sinners, and list those views against them as opinions...

(Tongue frmly in cheek!)

 

Umm....no

 

Biblically/theologically speaking, election and salvation are different things, but they are inextricably linked. An elected person will be saved, and a saved person has been elected.

If you adopt a non-individual/corporate view of election, you might be able to separate them more, though.

 

That's because it's a false gospel....

 

Well, If I used the ole 1689 Confession, would have loads of scripture to list!!

 

Prior to salvation it is a coorporate election. When we become save it is now individual. God chose before the foundation of the world to save those who believe. That is election. Once I put on salvation, by God's grace, it is now my election and I am among the elect.

 

I am not looking for someone else's explanation. If you cannot defend it then you should not claim it.

 

Thanks for expounding on how corporate election (or elements of it) can create more distance.

 

Or, if you look at scriptural words related to elect (chosen, called, etc) and then see what words are further related through those (inherit, son, heir, reward, etc)

You can see a whole teaching in scripture that not everyone who believes in Christ is among the elect.

Every believer have eternal life, and will be in the presence of Christ for eternity, but not every believer is one of the elect. Not everyone in the presence of Christ will be one of the elect.

 

Can defead it, but we would no doubt view the same scriptures in different fashion!

 

I don't know what that means.

 

Except that is not taught in the scriptures under the NT, as that type of Corporate election could describe national Israel, but not the Church!

 

This is essentially what I was saying (or trying to say.)

Get ready to get excoriated by Calvinists for using the phrase "once I put on salvation"...

 

Distance between election and salvation (making them more distinct). A non-corporate view of election doesn't allow for as much distinction.

 

That's one interpretation, but it's definitely not a mainstream view. (That doesn't make it wrong, only a minority view.)

 

Maybe, maybe not. I'm speaking in terms of possible interpretations, not necessarily saying one is correct.

 

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

This is why I'm part of the elect

 

Wrong.

Once you believed, you were counted among the redeemed.

But you won't know if you are among the elect until you reach the end, and look back to see if you finished the course. Even the Apostle Paul said that he hoped that he would attain to the resurrection of Christ, and not that he had already attained it