Featured Calvin: God is the Author of Sin

All that yo have shown to us is that you really do not understand what Calvin and others wrote concerning this OP topic, as you misunderstand what the Biblet eaches, and then misunderstand Calvin/Hodge an others, and put your own understandingi nto their words.

 

So God gave to us Jesus in order to do wha?

 

May the Lord open our brothers eyes to not know if Calvin was true, but hat the word of God and the truth of Jesus is Lord be true!

 

There was real sin before the Mosaic Law came, see Cain!

 

Except scripture doesn't say that.

 

Think about this. Was Adam punished because He sinned? I believe He was. He could have live in the Garden forever if he hadn't sinned. So sin was imputed to Adam. Why? Because God Him Self told Him not to eat of the fruit from the tree of good and evil.
Why else would God kill all those people in the world with a flood.

Common sense tells me that if a man is told not to do something he automatically becomes more likely to do it. This I feel is what Adam and Eve dealt with.

I believe Adam was commanded and warned about the good and evil fruit. God told Adam not to eat it.
Sin actually started in Heaven with Satan's pride. It came down from Heaven when Satan was cast out. When Moses gave us the 10 commandments this did cause sin to increase.

Yes it did Although a Law doesn't have to written for man to understand when something isn;t right to do. Like I said before the Law is written on our hearts.
MB

 

You weren't aware of your double negative until I pointed it out. When you make that mistake you are not communicating effectively.

In 2 Peter 3:9, despite the protestations of non-Calvinists --it is referencing the elect. He doesn't will that any of his chosen ones perish eternally.

You're not being biblical. The Lord has the right to do whatever he so desires to do with his creation. He is under no obligation to save any. However, out of his love and grace he has chosen to save a number that no one can count.

The Lord owes no one anything. All his ways are perfect and he does all that he pleases to do without consulting puny humans who want to put him in their dock.

The Lord mercies some and hardens the rest. Do you wish to argue that that is unjust?! Who are you to argue with the Almighty? You're just a mere human being.

 

This is more than slightly bonkers. Do speeding laws make people more likely to speed? Do the laws against murder make people more likely to murder? If so, why do we have laws against anything? Just abolish all laws and their would be no sin.

 

That He doesn't draw some people but does draw others.

 

Well I have tried but I cannot narrow you down to a consistent belief in this area. This is contrary to what you have previously said.

 

A long time ago, Agent 47 wrote:

To which I replied:
Not so. God's decree is universal (Daniel 4:34-35; Romans 8:28; Romans 11:26; Ephesians 1:11).
It covers good and evil events (Isaiah 45:7; Amos 3:6; Job 1:21; Jeremiah 15:2).
It covers the sinful acts of men (Genesis 50:20; 2 Samuel 16:10-11; Luke 22:22; Acts 2:23 and of course Acts 4:27-28).
It covers the free acts of men (Proverbs 16:1, 9: Proverbs 19:21; Proverbs 21:1; Romans 8:28, 35-39).
It covers chance occurrences (1 Kings 22:28-34; Job 5:6; Job 36:32; Proverbs 16:33; Jonah 1:7).
It covers all details of our lives (Job 14:5; Psalm 139:16; Matthew 10:29-30; James 4:15).
Please especially read Isaiah 14:24-27 and Isaiah 46:10-11.

I think we may be quite certain that Agent 47 never read any of the Scriptures that I laboriously compiled for him, since he has never reacted to any of them.

However, let's consider how God's absolute sovereignty over events affects a wicked act like the beheading of the Egyptian Christians by ISIS in Libya.

First of all, did God force ISIS to murder these men? No. 'Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God." For God cannot be tempted, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed' (James 1:13-14). The action was planned and executed by the evil design of ISIS. None of the killers was thinking to himself, "I really don't want to kill these men but I......just.....can't.....stop myself!" They did it willingly and culpably.

So what was God's role in it? He decreed it in eternity for His own high and holy ends. Is that evil? No, Those men have been in Paradise ever since, far happier than you or I. Why did He decree it? I am not privy to God's secret counsels, but I note that many Moslems were appalled by the act, and impressed by the way that the men's wives and parents forgave the murderers and prayed for them to be forgiven. As a result many hundreds -- maybe thousands -- of Egyptian Moslems have become Christians including several imams. The deaths of these, and other Christians, across the Middle East, is bringing about a great conversion of Moslems which might never have happened otherwise. As Tertullian wrote, the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church.

It is a very, very foolish thing to accuse God of evil. 'Woe to him who strives with His Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth! Shall the clay say to him who forms it, "What are you making?" Or shall your handiwork say, "He has no hands"? Woe to him who says to his father, "What are you begetting?" Or to the woman, "What have you brought forth?"' (Isaiah 45:9-10).

 

Yes and the more restrictive the more frequent the offense.

Have you ever seen a Law against it actually stop a murder?

Utopia huh? Actually they did away with laws against marijuana where I live and now there are less pot heads because they say this took all the fun out of it. Go figure!
MB

 

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