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Yet the scripture clearly says what these [devout (2:5)] Jews were saving themselves from:
Acts 2:40
And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation.

They weren't saving themselves from hell, but from the terrible wrath that was to come upon 'that generation'. A corollary passage would be:

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come forth, my people, out of her, that ye have no fellowship with her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues: Rev 18

 

No, that would be the wrath of God that all sinners face apart from Christ, not just to Israel AD 70!

 

No scripture backing up this absurdity.

"Filthy rags" is old testament Isaiah 64 attributed to apostate Jews.

Just grabbing any statement from old testament and applying it to entirety of humanity is silly.

If we were so totally depraved then the human nature itself is destroyed and there is NO HUMAN to save at all.

"He is not obligated to explain His rationale for His choices."

False Humility is the worst vanity.

GOD freely does explain his rationale and his choice. The denial of God's command is rebellion

Jesus Christ is THE WORD, GOD's PERSONAL STATEMENT and DECLARATION.


God COMMANDS all not to sin, ERGO, WANTS all mankind not to sin, ERGO, wants all mankind to love GOD and neighbor, ERGO wants ALL MANKIND to be saved.

He temps no one to do evil and always gives a way out of sinning.

The reason folks want to deny THE COMMAND and DESIRES OF GOD, is so they can EXCUSE THEMSELVES with a License to SIN.

They want to make it sound like Christianity has an unknown goal and motive not to be questioned when it "appears" EVIL.

The Nazis of Christianity love it that way. (not saying your a Nazi)



1 timothy 1

5But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, 7wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions.


The bible clearly states the GOAL of Christianity is LOVE. GOD IS LOVE. Want to make folks sick to their stomach. Keep mentioning God is love. That LOVE is the absolute highest priority.

1 Corinthians 13.

Love is the END ALL AND BE ALL.


Jesus say "Forgive them they know not what they do" and folks will say that scripture is false.

Stephen prayed for God to "NOT HOLD THE SINS COMMITED against his murderers"

Paul declared He would be willing to be damned to go to hell in place of others who separated from Christ.

Christians sound this way. Believe me Jesus, Stephen and Paul are Christians.

And Christians got no problem agreeing with Jesus they WILL pray it themselves "forgive them they know not what they do". Just like Stephen the will pray on the behalf of even unbelievers.


Just Like Paul I can say I would go to hell if it meant saving my brothers and sisters.

But ,There are folks who CALL themselves Christians they would never EVER...E V E R remotely sound like this.

 

Regardless if God spoke it in OT/NT, still the word of God , andPaul stated that all have sinned, all fallen short of God, correct?

 

You haven't proven anything The next verse say what they were saved from.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Rev 18 Being a corollary is laughable.
MB

 

At the time in old testament it was true. However Jesus Christ is one of us, he did not sin and did not fall short.

We are sinners don't get me wrong. Today you can't say all sinned and all fallen short, Jesus Christ broke that for us. Jesus Christ is one of us.


He is quoting old testament not some new doctrine.

The Christian Judaizers believed themselves superior to Christian Gentiles.

And Paul shows them that when they try to force THE LAW it was something THEY could not uphold themselves, they all sinned on it, they all fall short completing it.

Jesus Christ is the only one who completed the Law.

The Judaizers are saying Gentiles are not Justified by the Law, Paul is saying no kidding no one is justified by the Law.

We see Peter elsewhere say to the church in council how can we expect to put the burden on the gentiles something we couldn't handle ourselves.


I can't say hey everything you do is a filthy rag and your nothing but a sinner, because its not the law that justifies you, you are justified by Jesus Christ.

You are under grace. You are not a filthy rag, When God looks at you he will always say my child before he says a sinner.

Jesus Loves you.

Does that mean you have a license to sin now?

Romans 6
1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2May it never be!

No license to sin. You can still put yourself in hell.

 

You answer your question in Ephesians. Faith is God's gift to those upon whom He extends grace. I love Ephesians 2:8. God tells us that we cannot generate faith until God first extends grace. Faith is the gift God gives after He extends grace. Faith is NOT of ourselves.

Thanks for sharing such a great verse and making my point for me.

 

Why so angry?

Do you curse God for being Sovereign and choosing whom He wills?

God displayed grace from Genesis to Revelation. He has always chosen whom to redeem out of rebel humanity.

Grace is a wonderful thing.

 

For a Calvinist, the answer is really both.

 

No....he never intended to....all kinds of men,yes,every tribe ,kindred ,tongue, and nation....all men who ever lived???? NO.

 

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Rev 18:4 is precisely corollary with Acts 2:40.

Nothing funny about it.

 

You disrespect the sovereignty of God. You and I are so ignorant of God's ways that to claim God's will is arbitrary is a foolish statement. It is coming from your prideful heart.