Is the pendulum swinging in a different direction?

A far reach. Though it contains no error, our understanding will be through a glass dimly until we meet Jesus face to face.

 

Maybe one day you can work on that greatest gift mentioned in the passage.

 

Posting in tongues again eh!

 

I have no need to show you anything regarding grammar structure. The context of the passage provides nothing that indicates Paul is talking about a canon of scripture. The revelation that is perfect is Jesus. That makes the most common sense.
You can choose to hold your view, but I think it is the incorrect interpretation of this passage.

 

Bible Dictionaries
Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words
Tongue
γλῶσσα
(Strong's #1100 — Noun Feminine — glossa — gloce'-sah )
is used of (1) the "tongues ... like as of fire" which appeared at Pentecost; (2) "the tongue," as an organ of speech, e.g., Mark 7:33 ; Romans 3:13 ; 14:11 ;1 Corinthians 14:9 ; Philippians 2:11 ; James 1:26 ; 3:5,6,8 ; 1 Peter 3:10 ; 1 John 3:18 ; Revelation 16:10 ; (3) (a) "a language," coupled with phule, "a tribe," laos, "a people," ethnos, "a nation," seven times in the Apocalypse,Revelation 5:9 ; 7:9 ; 10:11 ; 11:9 ; 13:7 ; 14:6 ; 17:15 ; (b) "the supernatural gift of speaking in another language without its having been learnt;" in Acts 2:4-13 the circumstances are recorded from the viewpoint of the hearers; to those in whose language the utterances were made it appeared as a supernatural phenomenon; to others, the stammering of drunkards; what was uttered was not addressed primarily to the audience but consisted in recounting "the mighty works of God;" cp. Acts 2:46 ; in 1Cor., chapters 12 and 14, the use of the gift of "tongues" is mentioned as exercised in the gatherings of local churches; 1 Corinthians 12:10 speaks of the gift in general terms, and couples with it that of "the interpretation of tongues;" chapt. 14 gives instruction concerning the use of the gift, the paramount object being the edification of the church; unless the "tongue" was interpreted the speaker would speak "not unto men, but unto God," 1 Corinthians 14:2 ; he would edify himself alone, 1 Corinthians 14:4 , unless he interpreted, 1 Corinthians 14:5 , in which case his interpretation would be of the same value as the superior gift of prophesying, as he would edify the church, 1 Corinthians 14:4-6 ; he must pray that he may interpret, 1 Corinthians 14:13 ; if there were no interpreter, he must keep silence, 1 Corinthians 14:28 , for all things were to be done "unto edifying," 1 Corinthians 14:26 . "If I come ... speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you," says the Apostle (expressing the great object in all oral ministry), "unless I speak to you either by way of revelation, or of knowledge, or of prophesying, or of teaching?" (1 Corinthians 14:6 ). "Tongues" were for a sign, not to believers, but to unbelievers, 1 Corinthians 14:22 , and especially to unbelieving Jews (see 1 Corinthians 14:21 ): cp. the passages in the Acts.

There is no evidence of the continuance of this gift after apostolic times nor indeed in the later times of the Apostles themselves; this provides confirmation of the fulfillment in this way of 1 Corinthians 13:8 , that this gift would cease in the churches, just as would "prophecies" and "knowledge" in the sense of knowledge received by immediate supernatural power (cp. 1 Corinthians 14:6 ). The completion of the Holy Scriptures has provided the churches with all that is necessary for individual and collective guidance, instruction, and edification.

 

Do you imagine that you know God and His word better because you read greek? Does God think you know Him better because you read greek? Perhaps it is you who needs help as well.

 

The problem with your contention is that Bible scholars and preachers disagree with you. For example, John Piper and Tom Schreiner hold the view I have shared. Frankly, I respect their view over yours.

 

This is interesting in theory, but there are millions of unreached people's in this world who do not have access to the Bible. There is still need for all the gifts until Jesus returns.

 

Thanks for the link...

 

M,
Why is that??? If we have a completed word and The Spirit who gave us the word and allows us to understand it, why would anything else be needed?
First century Israel was to be rejected for their Covenant breaking, Deut 28-33...the curses were coming upon them and as a consequence, the foundational teaching of the Apostles and prophets was being given and confirmed.Eph2:20.

We cannot live in the land of make believe...oral roberts claimed he saw a 900ft Jesus...
I know that is not what you are saying, but you are reluctant to say that God has closed off these avenues of new revelation. He has....if you notice these anecdotal stories of sign gifts, the dead being physically raised are always....out there somewhere on the mission fields.
When I ask missionaries who are out there...they only mention demonic activity....and to a person say the pentecostals hinder the work.

 

I reject Piper and Grudem outright.....Piper just leaves the door open which as far as I can tell lets people be subject to chasing nonsensical false fleshly make believe.
youtube video of people barking like dogs at the toronto blessing - Bing video

youtube video of people barking like dogs at the toronto blessing - Bing video

youtube video of people barking like dogs at the toronto blessing - Bing video


"He himself does not claim any such gift.
It is safe to say...well God can do what he wants to do as if we could limit Him by not leaving an open door.
God has already declared we are not to add or take away from that which was once for all delievered to the saints.

 

TC, you are twisting words and making things up as you go in this post.
I respect your right to think Paul was talking about the canon in chapter 13. I consider your view to be incorrect and I accept the views of others who are equal or superior to you in understanding greek and intellectual knowledge.
At this point you are coming across as prideful.

 

Do those who have never had the Bible have the complete word of God in their hands? Can a missionary get to them and share God's complete word if they don't know the language and don't have a Bible in that language?
I cannot dismiss God's Spirit using the gift of tongues to tell them of Jesus nor can I dismiss God using dreams to give them a knowledge of His Son. To put chains on God's Spirit because I personally have added an interpretation to Paul's writing that he doesn't express is something I refuse to do.
What I accept is that Jesus is perfect and when he returns we will no longer need the gifts of tongues and prophecy.

 

youtube video of people barking like dogs at the toronto blessing - Bing video