Receiving a gift is not also part of the giving

Not from where I am sitting. But let's do it your way. How do people get saved?

 

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My last post to you was a question "How do people get saved?"

Now I have come across some of your words in another thread:

NOBTS professor detects Calvinistic tilt in study notes of LifeWay’s new Bible (CSB)

"Jesus died for everyone (John 3:16). Everyone has an equal opportunity to respond to the gospel and believe (.2 Peter 3:9; Romans 10:13-17). Everyone has the exact same ability to respond to the gospel (Romans 10:17). We all have the same ability from birth to place our faith in Christ (John 3:1-6) While we are born with Adam's sin nature (Romans 5:12) We bear the guilt of no one but our own sin (Romans 5:12b)"

"It was intended to be applied toward those who believe. We become elect once we believe. Not because we determined to become elect once we believed but because God determined that is how He wanted it."

"Election is corporate not individual. We are elect because we believe, we do not believe because we are elect."

Today you say
"Everyone presented with the gospel hears the gospel and then is free to receive it or reject it. " This seems to indicate that people have to do something, ergo make a decision.

 

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My last post to you was a question "How do people get saved?"

Now I have come across some of your words in another thread:

NOBTS professor detects Calvinistic tilt in study notes of LifeWay’s new Bible (CSB)

"Jesus died for everyone (John 3:16). Everyone has an equal opportunity to respond to the gospel and believe (.2 Peter 3:9; Romans 10:13-17). Everyone has the exact same ability to respond to the gospel (Romans 10:17). We all have the same ability from birth to place our faith in Christ (John 3:1-6) While we are born with Adam's sin nature (Romans 5:12) We bear the guilt of no one but our own sin (Romans 5:12b)"

"It was intended to be applied toward those who believe. We become elect once we believe. Not because we determined to become elect once we believed but because God determined that is how He wanted it."

"Election is corporate not individual. We are elect because we believe, we do not believe because we are elect."

Today you say
"Everyone presented with the gospel hears the gospel and then is free to receive it or reject it. " This seems to indicate that people have to do something, ergo make a decision.

 

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My last post to you was a question "How do people get saved?"

Now I have come across some of your words in another thread:

NOBTS professor detects Calvinistic tilt in study notes of LifeWay’s new Bible (CSB)

"Jesus died for everyone (John 3:16). Everyone has an equal opportunity to respond to the gospel and believe (.2 Peter 3:9; Romans 10:13-17). Everyone has the exact same ability to respond to the gospel (Romans 10:17). We all have the same ability from birth to place our faith in Christ (John 3:1-6) While we are born with Adam's sin nature (Romans 5:12) We bear the guilt of no one but our own sin (Romans 5:12b)"

"It was intended to be applied toward those who believe. We become elect once we believe. Not because we determined to become elect once we believed but because God determined that is how He wanted it."

"Election is corporate not individual. We are elect because we believe, we do not believe because we are elect."

Today you say
"Everyone presented with the gospel hears the gospel and then is free to receive it or reject it. "
This seems to indicate that people have to do something, ergo make a decision. If people have to "do something" for salvation, then God would need the cooperation of the person.

The Bible is clear in John 6

John 6:37 - All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

John 6:44 - 4 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

This is an article regarding corporate and individual election. It is written by Dr. Dan Wallace.

Corporate Election

I think you should spend some time with your bible and consider these concepts.

God Bless

 

Have done, your turn.

 

So you think that name-calling will make you right? It won't. I'm tough as nails. That's how I got through Desert Storm in country.

You have just admitted that your theology requires that man DO SOMETHING for salvation. That's works salvation and I'm sure you know what Ephesians says about grace being a GIFT!

There is not a single verse in the New Testament that says your free will is part of the process. The scriptures clearly and emphatically state that the elect were chosen before the foundations of the world.

My beliefs come straight from the book known as the Holy Bible so to use the word sophomoric is an attack upon the scriptures.

 

This matter of “free will” is such a fantasy and people buy it thinking it is real.

The freedom of choice to the unredeemed is locked into that which the fallen nature considers good. But ultimately nothing coming from or generated by the fallen nature is other than fallen.

It cannot stand that fallen are in some manner “lifted” into some estate in which a choice for or to turn away from salvation is made.

No where in Scriptures such thinking even hinted.

The deeds of the flesh are manifested as deeds of the flesh for there is none righteous.

The believer is endowed with a total new nature, not some old nature “renewed” or modified. The old nature wars against the new natures will, until the death puts the matter to death.

There is much wrong teaching with the thinking of such as preceding grace, old made alive, freedom of the will, ...

Such comes, IMO, from sloppy lazy scholarship and willingness to embrace the fanciful out of conveniece and peace.

 

Amen!

I think there is a little bit of pride involved as well. I'm not saved because I made the decision, I'm saved because God chose me.

 

One being shown their own words is a misrepresentation?

Claims that Cals hold to a works salvation is not a false accusation?

If any systematic view comes from Scriptures it is that of the “doctrines of grace.”

There has been circulating, since about 2012, a document among the SBC pastors that even admits that it is “semi-peligian.”

The document endorses a semi-Pelagian view of soteriology — The most serious charge made by critics of the statement is that it is semi-Pelagian, a view that claims human beings retain the ability to desire God, to seek God, and to pursue salvation through an act of the free will without God first operating on the human heart. (From https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/...baptists-calvinism-and-gods-plan-of-salvation)

Read more of the link to get both the criticism and typical responses.
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The problem being that there is NO Scripture support for free will, and prevenient / preceding grace.

So, whose view really comes from ideology rather than Scriptures?

 

There is a new thread that seeks to explore the words “take” and “receive”.

It is hoped light will be shed on this important issue of looking at the context in determining how to understand words with multiple meanings.

 

No one is misrepresenting you. They are drawing theological conclusions from the things you have written. For instance, you deny that you are a Synergist, partly because you reject labels. Yet, you believe that man plays a part in the salvation process. You believe that man has the free will to accept or reject salvation. That is Synergism. You deny it and call it a mischaracterization. You claim we are telling lies about you by mischaracterizing you. You have set up a theological force field around you that shields you from any criticism. Why? What are you afraid of? There are people in my own camp that I disagree with, yet we don’t try and hide from what we believe. TCassidy and I disagree on our lapsarian position. So? We disagree. It’s OK to disagree. Just be honest about what you believe. No need to obfuscate it behind “no labels” or false accusations of mischaracterizations. There’s no Calvinist cabal that’s out to get you.


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