Featured 666 - The scriptural [KJB] Truth

A counterfeit antichrist, a sword of terror, set up by Romanism.

Maometis (Greek) [Muhammad, aka: Abu al Qasim [who was married to the older Catholic Khadija bint Khuwaylid (AD 595 - AD 620); who was a wealthy Roman Catholic, and whose sister was Hala bint Khuwailid, and whose cousin, the son of Khadija's paternal uncle, was Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, a blind old man, who was a 'christian' convert [likely a practicing gnostic, wherein the gnostic materials in the Qur'an originated], who supposedly read/write the 'scriptures' [gnostic] in Arabic, encouraging 'Muhammad' to receive visions from the 'angel' ['Namus'] calling itself 'Jibril' [supposedly Gabriel [actually Satan] in the cave of Hira, see
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 156 and Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 33 and
Ibn Ishaq, The Life Of Muhammad, A Translation of Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah, page 792-794],

"... a dubiously obscure Latinisation of a Greek transliteration of an Arabic word. ..."

"... Euthymius Zygabenus and Zonarus wrote the name as Maometh and Cedrenus wrote the name Mouchoumet ..."

"In the 1923 book the Number And Names Of The Apocalyptic Beasts, David Thom, rejects "Maometis" as a valid translation, observing that "of the seven different ways in which Muhammad's name is written in Euthymus and the Byzantine historians, not one is the orthography in question." - Interpretations see also 666
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I won't even bother with this supposed gematraic '666'. It is vanity. For further materials on Abu al Qasim, perhaps I can start another thread on that subject. There is over a thousand pages of documentation on him and the Qur'an, aHadith, Tafsir, Tarikh, and so on.

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Finally, a few resources that add to the information presented in this thread:

Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological and Ecclesiastical Literature, section “Rome” [E-Sword App]

“... One of the most recent views of the name of the beast, from the pen of a Christian writer, we find in Hyponoia, or Thoughts on a Spiritual Understanding of the Apocalypse (Lond. 1844). “The number in question (666) is expressed in Greek by three letters of the alphabet: χ, six hundred; 10, sixty; ῍, six. Let us suppose these letters to be the initials of certain names, as it was common with the ancients in their inscriptions to indicate names of distinguished characters by initial letters, and sometimes by an additional letter, as C. Caius, Cn. Cneus. The Greek letter χ (ch) is the initial of Χριστός (Christ); the letter ξ is the initial of ξύλον (wood or tree); sometimes figuratively put in the New Test. for the cross. The last letter, ῍ is equivalent to σ and τ, but whether an s or an st, it is the initial of the word Satanas, Satan, or the adversary. Taking the first two names in the genitive, and the last in the nominative, we have the following appellation, name, or title: Χριστοῦ ξύλου σατανᾶς, ‘the adversary of the cross of Christ,’ a character corresponding with that of certain enemies of the truth described by Paul (Php_3:19).” SEE NUMBER OF THE BEAST. ...”​

Fausset's Bible Dictionary, section “AntiChrist” [E-Sword App]:

“... The radicals in Christ are CH, R and ST (X P); Antichrist's monogram personates it, but falls short of it, Ch X St (X) (666). It is curious that the only unquestionable 666 (1Ki_10:14; 2Ch_9:13) in the Old Testament is the 666 talents of gold that came in yearly to Solomon, and were among the correcting influences that misled him. ...”

“... Moreover, the only two Greek nouns in the New Testament, whose value numerically is exactly 666, are precisely the two expressing the grand corrupters of the church and sources of idolatry, "tradition" (paradosis), the corrupter of doctrine, "wealth" or the pursuit of it (euporia, only in Act_19:25), the corrupter of practice (Col_3:5). ...”

“... The Hebrew letters of Balaam (type of the false prophet whose spiritual knowledge shall be perverted to Satanic ends; Rev_2:14 favors this, also the fact that Antichrist mainly shall oppress Israel, Daniel 8; 9; 11; 12) amount to 666. The Greek letters of Lateinos (Irenaeus), Rome's language in all official acts, amount to 666. ...”​

 

Looked at it. Partly correct and partly incorrect. The partly incorrect is primarily the 'Egyptian' [as 1 head], 'Assyrian' [as 2 Head, Assyria never ruled over all Israel] and 'Ottoman' [as 7 head], among other things. The partly correct are the Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome and Papal Rome order in Daniel.

The date of 1929, is also not the healing of the wound, and the vatican only obtained back a previous loss of the papal states in September 20, 1870. Papal power is not merely in obtaining back territory, nor crown [1799-1801], but in its ability to persecute with the sword of the state, which it does not quite yet have back. It will get it back when the US persecutes for it, becoming the state sword [global political superpower] in the hand of Rome [global spiritual superpower]. Was 1929 a partial healing? Sure, but the healing began way back in 1799-1801, after 'Napoleon' separated the church/state structure of the Papacy in 1798.

If you would, we can take a look at these things in the Daniel thread & Revelation thread if you would like, and go step by step.

Also, for myself, I do not like the NIV or ESV, which have demonstrably grievous error in them, and thus do not like supporting them by quoting them where possible.

 

The King James Bible is God's Word in English, it is without errors in its words and preservation, Psalms 12:6-7, 19:7; John 10:35 KJB etc.

I am leaving it.

I had asked if you wanted to study it together to test it. That you do not speaks volumes about it. Easy to paste something on a blog board without the intense searching scrutiny of the King James Bible, and history.

Your last sentence speaks volumes to me. Thank you for your time.

 

I apologize if what I have written seemed harsh, cold or distant. I was not attempting to be, but was in earnest about studying [not merely reading a link, which I did some of, as stated, for I indeed looked at it to discuss] with you, but in the other thread [Daniel and Revelation], since that thread would be better suited to do so, since it would cover so much more, and this thread is almost at its end.

I do not want there to be hardness between us, nor irreconcilable difference. I believe that through humble, teachable, prayerful study of God's word [I belive the KJB, for the English] we can come to the same, unified in truth, position. It is not that I would not give up anything I have previously believed [as stated I used to be Roman Catholic, 30 years], but I must be shown where I am in error, by that same word, even patiently and lovingly.

Yes, I believe God's word [KJB] is word perfect and preserved [even to this very day, and am able to hold those words in my hand, and are not merely in old tattered documents locked in a scholar's library, or fragmented to nothing in historical antiquity, ie 'originals'] as stated before, and am not ashamed [Romans 1:16 KJB]. Is such a belief [faith] heresy, or error or insanity to believe that there is a perfect word of God in the world?, and since [if, for some] so, where is it? I believe I have shown, that through the sanctuary [Psalms 77:13 KJB], that satan loves to add/subtract from God's word, and to pervert [Galatians 1:7 KJB] and corrupt it where his agencies dare [2 Corinthians 2:17 KJB], though they may do so to some, they cannot do so to all, for God Himself has stated that He would preserve His words [Psalms 12:6,7; Deuteronomy 8:3; Matthew 4:4; Luke 4:4; John 12:48 KJB].

If I have unnecessarily offended, forgive me, for I may have pressed too strongly, but I would ask, in charity, have you considered the details in regards the NIV, ESV, ASV, etc in contrast to the KJB?

KJV Bible Vindicated

I have studied [read, watched, listed, researched, asked, etc] this matter quite a bit, and came to this conclusion because of the evidences, and so I would still like to discuss with you on the various beasts, heads in the other thread and who they represent.

I believe, I have shown, by this thread, the truth [as given from scripture [KJB], what the 666 is, and calculates to.

 

I can show them in the NIV, ESV, ASV, etc, but I have not actually seen one in the KJB, and people have offered many 'examples', but when studied thoroughly, the 'examples' never seem to be able to stand against the thus saith the Lord, that His word is perfect.

This came about because of study, see the link, and the book, video, etc material therein.

Translation is simply going from one language to another, and God is the one who came down at the Tower of Babel [Genesis 11:7 KJB], giving the languages, and the Bible shows us how to treat translation [Genesis 42:23, Mark 5:41; Acts 1:19, 21:40, 26:14, etc]. Do you believe that God's word can be equally [Ezekiel 18:25,29; equality deals with balance on two sides, from one side and another; Job 31:6; Proverbs 11:1, 16:11; Isaiah 40:12,16] translated into any language from an original language, as shown in the scriptures cited, and elsewhere?

Is there a Biblical rule, precept, that requires the original language, rather than a translation? From what I read of the scripture, it says that we ought to read, hear and understand in a language that we know, rather in one or many we do not [1 Corinthians 14]. Even in the NT, when a 'foreign' word was used, it was always immediately translated for the common man. Does it mean I do not use a Concordance to "find" a relation or a root, to see more relational words? No, I use a Concordance [KJC, sometimes Strong's] to find those relations, but even a Concordance can sometimes be deceiving. Does it mean I use a Concordance, etc to "define" the word. No. God's word defines itself, even from the beginning.

Can you show me some original Greek and Hebrew mss, not copies, the 'originals'? How do you know that they are the right ones, compared to the vast [now] extant [and even of past that used to be extant, now deteriated, etc]? For instance, can you show to me the original mss for what was in the hand of King Jehoiakim in Jeremiah 36:23, or in the hands of Jeremiah, in Jeremiah 51:63, or can you show me the original tables that Moses had in Exodus 32:19, or to the ones that God wrote later [as far as I know they are still buried where Jeremiah, etc hid them.]

Have you considered brother brother Sam Gipps, sermon, 3 Translations that are superior to the original, and can be found in the following video, Beware of Absolute Statements About the Bible [I do not necessarily endorse all his theology, as he is a baptist] -

To study the scripture, I read that we must go "line upon line" & "precept upon precept", even "here a little and there a little" [Isaiah 28:10,13], even from "alpha" to "omega", from "natural" to "spiritual", type ["shadow", "figure"] to antitype ["figure", "body"], but nowhere in scripture [KJB] does it say, that I am aware, that I have to go to the originals [mss, papyri, codices, or languages]?

 

The phrase "forever and ever" in the KJB, is defined not by the originals, nor even a foreign language to the primary one, but by the text and context itself. Jesus Christ will indeed reign eternally, without end ["forever and ever"], see Exodus 15:18; Revelation 11:15, 22:5 KJB &c. in other instances, "for ever", contextually, means a specific limited amount of time, see Jonah 2:6 [it can also mean in relation to distance [ie surrounded in every direction, no way out], not always time], see Jonah 1:7 "three days and three nights". "Forever and ever" can also be directly relational to distance [upward and out of sight, ie into the heavens until it can be no longer seen [Revelation 19:3, meaning distance, not time, "rose up" is the operation of the "forever and ever"], and in the case of satans destruction, in Revelation 20:10, "day and night forever and ever", is specifically limited to his length of burning, until he is ashes [Ezekiel 28:18,19; Malachi 4:1 etc.]. So it is not the words behind the words, but how the words are used in the sentences themselves.

I needed no orignal language, not even a foreign language [spanish, siglos, age [figurative, "Hace siglos que no te veo."], era, epoch, century, etc and so siglos de los siglos, being age to age [if of time], world to world [if of material, el siglo; retirarse del siglo], even forever and ever [ Check out the translation for "siglo" on SpanishDict! ] only the common language and the text and context thereof, locally and altogether.

Addendum - see Word etymology for "aiw" - *aiw- | Origin and meaning of root *aiw- by Online Etymology Dictionary

 

"Debate" - Romans 1:29 KJB, "dare" [I am not 5 years old, and have put away such childish things, 1 Corinthians 13] - 2 Corinthians 10:12; Jude 1:9 KJB King James only? There seems to be a misunderstanding in what I have said. I believe in a perfect [without error in word] and preserved [by God Himself] word. The general title has nothing to do with it, there is no King James controversy, only a perfectly preserved word controversy. It would not have mattered if I had said [and I do not] that I think the NIV is the perfectly preserved word of God, or the Reina Valera - Gomez in Spanish, or the Purificada, or the Olivetan in French, or the Diodati in Italian, or the etc, etc. They who reject the idea of a perfectly preserved word that I can hold in my hand today would just as readily rail against those, had I said them [I do not].

By the last few posts, you do not seem open to study, and simply want to assert a position. I accept that you have that position. I think it is contrary to the plainest statements in regards perfection [even as Jesus was/is perfect, without error] and preservation [even as Christ Jesus Himself is preserved forever].

I would be glad to speak with you about what I believe as a Seventh-day Adventist, since what I believe as a Seventh-day Adventist is scriptural [KJB]. If you think that you are able to show me in error in what I believe [God's word is my 'creed'], by the scripture [KJB], since it is the final authority in all matters in faith and practice, please choose one subject, and I will create a new thread, to take a look, at it with you, in all humility, and prayerfully.

Cult? Such epithets only endear me more closely to my Saviour Jesus Christ [Romans 15:3], heap them up, I have heard far worse. Your word, is my badge of His honour, His perfection [Acts 24:14 KJB]. Sticks and stones may break my bones, and name calling may hurt me deeply, but those who turn away from this last message of mercy to a dying world, I weep for most of all [Luke 23:28 KJB], God knoweth. They will beg to enter in, after the door [Christ] is closed [as it was in the days of Noe, Lot], and they will be unable to do so, though they will seek for it with bitter tears, and be unable to find it [Hebrews 12:17 KJB]. Their howling in gnashing and misery will be too great, too horrible, too sad, too late. Turn ye, turn ye, for why will ye die [1 John 3:4 KJB]?

 

Thank you for bumping this thread [2 Corinthians 13:8 KJB, for even the serpent serves God's purposes], as it keeps the truth of 666 before the people, and others unaware before this moment, may be enlightened by so seeing it.

I am still awaiting for you to address points 1-12 on my previous post on the Roman 'apologetic' [sorry indeed] on sister White, in that she is a woman, etc., in post #7.

That I am so acknowledged, as a Seventh-day Adventist, by one such as yourself, is indeed an honour to God's glory.

Please be aware however, of wheat and tares, and distinguish between sheep and goats.

For the other subject, you were instructed some while back as to what option you had to address the subject with me. You have yet to avail yourself of that option, and I can begin to see why.

 

Thanks Squire, it has been a good run.

A final note, for those interested in an Audio Book, on Jesus Christ and His life, and the counterfeit, Anti-Christ, see the Desire of Ages project and the Great Controversy project, excellent on the Life of Christ, and the Final Events including the 666 -

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