666 - The scriptural [KJB] Truth

[One Baptism]

A counterfeit antichrist, a sword of terror, set up by Romanism.

Maometis (Greek) [Muhammad, aka: Abu al Qasim [who was married to the older Catholic Khadija bint Khuwaylid (AD 595 - AD 620); who was a wealthy Roman Catholic, and whose sister was Hala bint Khuwailid, and whose cousin, the son of Khadija's paternal uncle, was Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, a blind old man, who was a 'christian' convert [likely a practicing gnostic, wherein the gnostic materials in the Qur'an originated], who supposedly read/write the 'scriptures' [gnostic] in Arabic, encouraging 'Muhammad' to receive visions from the 'angel' ['Namus'] calling itself 'Jibril' [supposedly Gabriel [actually Satan] in the cave of Hira, see
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 156 and Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 33 and
Ibn Ishaq, The Life Of Muhammad, A Translation of Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah, page 792-794],

"... a dubiously obscure Latinisation of a Greek transliteration of an Arabic word. ..."

"... Euthymius Zygabenus and Zonarus wrote the name as Maometh and Cedrenus wrote the name Mouchoumet ..."

"In the 1923 book the Number And Names Of The Apocalyptic Beasts, David Thom, rejects "Maometis" as a valid translation, observing that "of the seven different ways in which Muhammad's name is written in Euthymus and the Byzantine historians, not one is the orthography in question." - Interpretations see also 666
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I won't even bother with this supposed gematraic '666'. It is vanity. For further materials on Abu al Qasim, perhaps I can start another thread on that subject. There is over a thousand pages of documentation on him and the Qur'an, aHadith, Tafsir, Tarikh, and so on.

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Finally, a few resources that add to the information presented in this thread:

Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological and Ecclesiastical Literature, section “Rome” [E-Sword App]

“... One of the most recent views of the name of the beast, from the pen of a Christian writer, we find in Hyponoia, or Thoughts on a Spiritual Understanding of the Apocalypse (Lond. 1844). “The number in question (666) is expressed in Greek by three letters of the alphabet: χ, six hundred; 10, sixty; ῍, six. Let us suppose these letters to be the initials of certain names, as it was common with the ancients in their inscriptions to indicate names of distinguished characters by initial letters, and sometimes by an additional letter, as C. Caius, Cn. Cneus. The Greek letter χ (ch) is the initial of Χριστός (Christ); the letter ξ is the initial of ξύλον (wood or tree); sometimes figuratively put in the New Test. for the cross. The last letter, ῍ is equivalent to σ and τ, but whether an s or an st, it is the initial of the word Satanas, Satan, or the adversary. Taking the first two names in the genitive, and the last in the nominative, we have the following appellation, name, or title: Χριστοῦ ξύλου σατανᾶς, ‘the adversary of the cross of Christ,’ a character corresponding with that of certain enemies of the truth described by Paul (Php_3:19).” SEE NUMBER OF THE BEAST. ...”​

Fausset's Bible Dictionary, section “AntiChrist” [E-Sword App]:

“... The radicals in Christ are CH, R and ST (X P); Antichrist's monogram personates it, but falls short of it, Ch X St (X) (666). It is curious that the only unquestionable 666 (1Ki_10:14; 2Ch_9:13) in the Old Testament is the 666 talents of gold that came in yearly to Solomon, and were among the correcting influences that misled him. ...”

“... Moreover, the only two Greek nouns in the New Testament, whose value numerically is exactly 666, are precisely the two expressing the grand corrupters of the church and sources of idolatry, "tradition" (paradosis), the corrupter of doctrine, "wealth" or the pursuit of it (euporia, only in Act_19:25), the corrupter of practice (Col_3:5). ...”

“... The Hebrew letters of Balaam (type of the false prophet whose spiritual knowledge shall be perverted to Satanic ends; Rev_2:14 favors this, also the fact that Antichrist mainly shall oppress Israel, Daniel 8; 9; 11; 12) amount to 666. The Greek letters of Lateinos (Irenaeus), Rome's language in all official acts, amount to 666. ...”​

 

[One Baptism]

I've already interpreted the beasts of Revelation and Daniel. Read [removed link, incorrect theology, in part] .

Looked at it. Partly correct and partly incorrect. The partly incorrect is primarily the 'Egyptian' [as 1 head], 'Assyrian' [as 2 Head, Assyria never ruled over all Israel] and 'Ottoman' [as 7 head], among other things. The partly correct are the Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome and Papal Rome order in Daniel.

The date of 1929, is also not the healing of the wound, and the vatican only obtained back a previous loss of the papal states in September 20, 1870. Papal power is not merely in obtaining back territory, nor crown [1799-1801], but in its ability to persecute with the sword of the state, which it does not quite yet have back. It will get it back when the US persecutes for it, becoming the state sword [global political superpower] in the hand of Rome [global spiritual superpower]. Was 1929 a partial healing? Sure, but the healing began way back in 1799-1801, after 'Napoleon' separated the church/state structure of the Papacy in 1798.

If you would, we can take a look at these things in the Daniel thread & Revelation thread if you would like, and go step by step.

Also, for myself, I do not like the NIV or ESV, which have demonstrably grievous error in them, and thus do not like supporting them by quoting them where possible.

 

[christiang]

Looked at it. Partly correct and partly incorrect. The partly incorrect is primarily the 'Egyptian' [as 1 head], 'Assyrian' [as 2 Head, Assyria never ruled over all Israel] and 'Ottoman' [as 7 head], among other things. The partly correct are the Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome and Papal Rome order in Daniel.

The date of 1929, is also not the healing of the wound, and the vatican only obtained back a previous loss of the papal states in September 20, 1870. Papal power is not merely in obtaining back territory, nor crown [1799-1801], but in its ability to persecute with the sword of the state, which it does not quite yet have back. It will get it back when the US persecutes for it, becoming the state sword [global political superpower] in the hand of Rome [global spiritual superpower]. Was 1929 a partial healing? Sure, but the healing began way back in 1799-1801, after 'Napoleon' separated the church/state structure of the Papacy in 1798.

If you would, we can take a look at these things in the Daniel thread & Revelation thread if you would like, and go step by step.

Also, for myself, I do not like the NIV or ESV, which have demonstrably grievous error in them, and thus do not like supporting them by quoting them where possible.

Oh, and you're English translation has no errors? How naive. The Assyrians took the Israelites captive, before the Babylonians, so yes, they qualify as a head of the beast. I offered the study as a benefit to you, take it or leave it. I am correct in my interpretation, and you're not gonna find many people teaching what I am teaching.

 

[One Baptism]

Oh, and you're English translation has no errors? How naive. The Assyrians took the Israelites captive, before the Babylonians, so yes, they qualify as a head of the beast. I offered the study as a benefit to you, take it or leave it. I am correct in my interpretation, and you're not gonna find many people teaching what I am teaching.

The King James Bible is God's Word in English, it is without errors in its words and preservation, Psalms 12:6-7, 19:7; John 10:35 KJB etc.

I am leaving it.

I had asked if you wanted to study it together to test it. That you do not speaks volumes about it. Easy to paste something on a blog board without the intense searching scrutiny of the King James Bible, and history.

Your last sentence speaks volumes to me. Thank you for your time.

 

[christiang]

I see that the moderators of this forum love their federal reserve

The King James Bible is God's Word in English, it is without errors in its words and preservation, Psalms 12:6-7, 19:7; John 10:35 KJB etc.

I am leaving it.

I had asked if you wanted to study it together to test it. That you do not speaks volumes about it. Easy to paste something on a blog board without the intense searching scrutiny of the King James Bible, and history.

Your last sentence speaks volumes to me. Thank you for your time.

The king james is without errors, are you serious? I'm sorry, but I can't continue this discussion further with someone who lacks.... well..... we'll just leave it at that.

 

[One Baptism]

I see that the moderators of this forum love their federal reserve

The king james is without errors, are you serious? I'm sorry, but I can't continue this discussion further with someone who lacks.... well..... we'll just leave it at that.

I apologize if what I have written seemed harsh, cold or distant. I was not attempting to be, but was in earnest about studying [not merely reading a link, which I did some of, as stated, for I indeed looked at it to discuss] with you, but in the other thread [Daniel and Revelation], since that thread would be better suited to do so, since it would cover so much more, and this thread is almost at its end.

I do not want there to be hardness between us, nor irreconcilable difference. I believe that through humble, teachable, prayerful study of God's word [I belive the KJB, for the English] we can come to the same, unified in truth, position. It is not that I would not give up anything I have previously believed [as stated I used to be Roman Catholic, 30 years], but I must be shown where I am in error, by that same word, even patiently and lovingly.

Yes, I believe God's word [KJB] is word perfect and preserved [even to this very day, and am able to hold those words in my hand, and are not merely in old tattered documents locked in a scholar's library, or fragmented to nothing in historical antiquity, ie 'originals'] as stated before, and am not ashamed [Romans 1:16 KJB]. Is such a belief [faith] heresy, or error or insanity to believe that there is a perfect word of God in the world?, and since [if, for some] so, where is it? I believe I have shown, that through the sanctuary [Psalms 77:13 KJB], that satan loves to add/subtract from God's word, and to pervert [Galatians 1:7 KJB] and corrupt it where his agencies dare [2 Corinthians 2:17 KJB], though they may do so to some, they cannot do so to all, for God Himself has stated that He would preserve His words [Psalms 12:6,7; Deuteronomy 8:3; Matthew 4:4; Luke 4:4; John 12:48 KJB].

If I have unnecessarily offended, forgive me, for I may have pressed too strongly, but I would ask, in charity, have you considered the details in regards the NIV, ESV, ASV, etc in contrast to the KJB?

KJV Bible Vindicated

I have studied [read, watched, listed, researched, asked, etc] this matter quite a bit, and came to this conclusion because of the evidences, and so I would still like to discuss with you on the various beasts, heads in the other thread and who they represent.

I believe, I have shown, by this thread, the truth [as given from scripture [KJB], what the 666 is, and calculates to.

 

[christiang]

I apologize if what I have written seemed harsh, cold or distant. I was not attempting to be, but was in earnest about studying [not merely reading a link, which I did some of, as stated, for I indeed looked at it to discuss] with you, but in the other thread [Daniel and Revelation], since that thread would be better suited to do so, since it would cover so much more, and this thread is almost at its end.

I do not want there to be hardness between us, nor irreconcilable difference. I believe that through humble, teachable, prayerful study of God's word [I belive the KJB, for the English] we can come to the same, unified in truth, position. It is not that I would not give up anything I have previously believed [as stated I used to be Roman Catholic, 30 years], but I must be shown where I am in error, by that same word, even patiently and lovingly.

Yes, I believe God's word [KJB] is word perfect and preserved [even to this very day, and am able to hold those words in my hand, and are not merely in old tattered documents locked in a scholar's library, or fragmented to nothing in historical antiquity, ie 'originals'] as stated before, and am not ashamed [Romans 1:16 KJB]. Is such a belief [faith] heresy, or error or insanity to believe that there is a perfect word of God in the world?, and since [if, for some] so, where is it? I believe I have shown, that through the sanctuary [Psalms 77:13 KJB], that satan loves to add/subtract from God's word, and to pervert [Galatians 1:7 KJB] and corrupt it where his agencies dare [2 Corinthians 2:17 KJB], though they may do so to some, they cannot do so to all, for God Himself has stated that He would preserve His words [Psalms 12:6,7; Deuteronomy 8:3; Matthew 4:4; Luke 4:4; John 12:48 KJB].

If I have unnecessarily offended, forgive me, for I may have pressed too strongly, but I would ask, in charity, have you considered the details in regards the NIV, ESV, ASV, etc in contrast to the KJB?

KJV Bible Vindicated

I have studied [read, watched,m listed, researched, asked, etc] this matter quite a bit, and came to this conclusion because of the evidences, and so I would still like to discuss with you on the various beasts, heads in the other thread and who they represent.

I believe, I have shown, by this thread, the truth [as given from scripture [KJB], what the 666 is, and calculates to.

Brother, all English translations of the scriptures have errors. Why would you think the KJV is free of translation error? I'm going to take a wild guess that you don't speak more than one language to know what happens when you translate words from one language to another. To study the scriptures you have to go into the original text, the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. Don't be naive.

 

[One Baptism]

Brother, all English translations of the scriptures have errors. ...

I can show them in the NIV, ESV, ASV, etc, but I have not actually seen one in the KJB, and people have offered many 'examples', but when studied thoroughly, the 'examples' never seem to be able to stand against the thus saith the Lord, that His word is perfect.

... Why would you think the KJV is free of translation error? ...

This came about because of study, see the link, and the book, video, etc material therein.

... I'm going to take a wild guess that you don't speak more than one language to know what happens when you translate words from one language to another. ...

Translation is simply going from one language to another, and God is the one who came down at the Tower of Babel [Genesis 11:7 KJB], giving the languages, and the Bible shows us how to treat translation [Genesis 42:23, Mark 5:41; Acts 1:19, 21:40, 26:14, etc]. Do you believe that God's word can be equally [Ezekiel 18:25,29; equality deals with balance on two sides, from one side and another; Job 31:6; Proverbs 11:1, 16:11; Isaiah 40:12,16] translated into any language from an original language, as shown in the scriptures cited, and elsewhere?

... To study the scriptures you have to go into the original text, the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. Don't be naive.

Is there a Biblical rule, precept, that requires the original language, rather than a translation? From what I read of the scripture, it says that we ought to read, hear and understand in a language that we know, rather in one or many we do not [1 Corinthians 14]. Even in the NT, when a 'foreign' word was used, it was always immediately translated for the common man. Does it mean I do not use a Concordance to "find" a relation or a root, to see more relational words? No, I use a Concordance [KJC, sometimes Strong's] to find those relations, but even a Concordance can sometimes be deceiving. Does it mean I use a Concordance, etc to "define" the word. No. God's word defines itself, even from the beginning.

Can you show me some original Greek and Hebrew mss, not copies, the 'originals'? How do you know that they are the right ones, compared to the vast [now] extant [and even of past that used to be extant, now deteriated, etc]? For instance, can you show to me the original mss for what was in the hand of King Jehoiakim in Jeremiah 36:23, or in the hands of Jeremiah, in Jeremiah 51:63, or can you show me the original tables that Moses had in Exodus 32:19, or to the ones that God wrote later [as far as I know they are still buried where Jeremiah, etc hid them.]

Have you considered brother brother Sam Gipps, sermon, 3 Translations that are superior to the original, and can be found in the following video, Beware of Absolute Statements About the Bible [I do not necessarily endorse all his theology, as he is a baptist] -

To study the scripture, I read that we must go "line upon line" & "precept upon precept", even "here a little and there a little" [Isaiah 28:10,13], even from "alpha" to "omega", from "natural" to "spiritual", type ["shadow", "figure"] to antitype ["figure", "body"], but nowhere in scripture [KJB] does it say, that I am aware, that I have to go to the originals [mss, papyri, codices, or languages]?

 

[christiang]

I can show them in the NIV, ESV, ASV, etc, but I have not actually seen one in the KJB, and people have offered many 'examples', but when studied thoroughly, the 'examples' never seem to be able to stand against the thus saith the Lord, that His word is perfect.

This came about because of study, see the link, and the book, video, etc material therein.

Translation is simply going from one language to another, and God is the one who came down at the Tower of Babel [Genesis 11:7 KJB], giving the languages, and the Bible shows us how to treat translation [Genesis 42:23, Mark 5:41; Acts 1:19, 21:40, 26:14, etc]. Do you believe that God's word can be equally [Ezekiel 18:25,29; equality deals with balance on two sides, from one side and another; Job 31:6; Proverbs 11:1, 16:11; Isaiah 40:12,16] translated into any language from an original language, as shown in the scriptures cited, and elsewhere?

Is there a Biblical rule, precept, that requires the original language, rather than a translation? From what I read of the scripture, it says that we ought to read, hear and understand in a language that we know, rather in one or many we do not [1 Corinthians 14]. Even in the NT, when a 'foreign' word was used, it was always immediately translated for the common man. Does it mean I do not use a Concordance to "find" a relation or a root, to see more relational words? No, I use a Concordance [KJC, sometimes Strong's] to find those relations, but even a Concordance can sometimes be deceiving. Does it mean I use a Concordance, etc to "define" the word. No. God's word defines itself, even from the beginning.

Can you show me some original Greek and Hebrew mss, not copies, the 'originals'? How do you know that they are the right ones, compared to the vast [now] extant [and even of past that used to be extant, now deteriated, etc]? For instance, can you show to me the original mss for what was in the hand of King Jehoiakim in Jeremiah 36:23, or in the hands of Jeremiah, in Jeremiah 51:63, or can you show me the original tables that Moses had in Exodus 32:19, or to the ones that God wrote later [as far as I know they are still buried where Jeremiah, etc hid them.]

Have you considered brother brother Sam Gipps, sermon, 3 Translations that are superior to the original, and can be found in the following video, Beware of Absolute Statements About the Bible -

To study the scripture, I read that we must go "line upon line" & "precept upon precept", even "here a little and there a little" [Isaiah 28:10,13], even from "alpha" to "omega", from "natural" to "spiritual", type ["shadow", "figure"] to antitype ["figure", "body"], but nowhere in scripture [KJB] does it say, that I am aware, that I have to go to the originals [mss, papyri, codices, or languages]?

You are making naive assumptions. I am bilingual, and I can tell you without a doubt there are translations. I'll give you a very good example, in the English common KJV translation, there is a verse that reads, "will reign forever and ever", but in the Spanish common RV translation (which is equivalent to KJV), that verse reads, "por los siglos de los siglos", which means for the centuries of the centuries. Which one is more accurate? The Spanish translation, because it more closely conveys the Greek word "aion", which means an age, an aeon more accurately. This is a good example of a translation deviation from the original text, which proves that your assertion that the KJV has no errors is incorrect. You can read my study on the aeons here, Aeonial is Not Eternal, Aeons, and the Mistranslation of Forever and Ever | Wisdom of God . There is no English translation that has no errors, and whoever thinks that is ignorant.

 

[One Baptism]

You are making naive assumptions. I am bilingual, and I can tell you without a doubt there are translations. I'll give you a very good example, in the English common KJV translation, there is a verse that reads, "will reign forever and ever", but in the Spanish common RV translation (which is equivalent to KJV), that verse reads, "por los siglos de los siglos", which means for the centuries of the centuries. Which one is more accurate? The Spanish translation, because it more closely conveys the Greek word "aion", which means an age, an aeon more accurately. This is a good example of a translation deviation from the original text, which proves that your assertion that the KJV has no errors is incorrect. You can read my study on the aeons here, [link removed, as it has incorrect premises, I say having looked] There is no English translation that has no errors, and whoever thinks that is ignorant.

The phrase "forever and ever" in the KJB, is defined not by the originals, nor even a foreign language to the primary one, but by the text and context itself. Jesus Christ will indeed reign eternally, without end ["forever and ever"], see Exodus 15:18; Revelation 11:15, 22:5 KJB &c. in other instances, "for ever", contextually, means a specific limited amount of time, see Jonah 2:6 [it can also mean in relation to distance [ie surrounded in every direction, no way out], not always time], see Jonah 1:7 "three days and three nights". "Forever and ever" can also be directly relational to distance [upward and out of sight, ie into the heavens until it can be no longer seen [Revelation 19:3, meaning distance, not time, "rose up" is the operation of the "forever and ever"], and in the case of satans destruction, in Revelation 20:10, "day and night forever and ever", is specifically limited to his length of burning, until he is ashes [Ezekiel 28:18,19; Malachi 4:1 etc.]. So it is not the words behind the words, but how the words are used in the sentences themselves.

I needed no orignal language, not even a foreign language [spanish, siglos, age [figurative, "Hace siglos que no te veo."], era, epoch, century, etc and so siglos de los siglos, being age to age [if of time], world to world [if of material, el siglo; retirarse del siglo], even forever and ever [ Check out the translation for "siglo" on SpanishDict! ] only the common language and the text and context thereof, locally and altogether.

Addendum - see Word etymology for "aiw" - *aiw- | Origin and meaning of root *aiw- by Online Etymology Dictionary

 

[robycop3]

666 - the scriptural [KJB] Truth.

Ezra 2:13 KJB - The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six.​

This text, among others, helps us to identify who receive the number 666 [Revelation 13:18 KJB]. They are the “children of Adonikam”. Once the name “Adonikam” is defined, we have a characteristic of his “children”.

It is made up of two words,

[1] “Adoni” [H113, KJC], which means “Lord” [Nehemiah 3:5, 8:10, 10:29 KJB, etc], and​

[2] “qum” [H6965, KJC], which means “arose, rise, risen, get up, etc”, and even in the context of rising up “against”, or “enemy” [as in risen up against], see “... them that rose up against thee ...” [Exodus 15:7 KJB] and “... their enemies.” [Exodus 32:25 KJB]​

Therefore, the name can mean, 'the number of those that are arisen up in rebellion against the Lord, are 666'.

For other instances of this 666, may be seen in the great Image of Daniel 3:1 KJB [60x6x6], the image of a fallen (sinful, Babylonian) man, whose heart became as a beasts heart, and the issue of a death decree by a combination of state and religious authority (Daniel 3, is the violation, in type, of the first Amendment, Congress shall make no law establishing religion; whereas Daniel 6, is the violation of the next portion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof), and in the apostasy of Solomon, the height and rule of men, 6 lions on the left, 6 lions on the right, and 6 steps up to the Throne [6 – 6 – 6] in 1 Kings 10:19-20; 2 Chronicles 9:18-19 KJB, and also in the height of men's wealth, in the 666 talents of gold of Solomon in 1 Kings 10:14; 2 Chronicles 9:13 KJB, who apostatized.

One may also begin in Genesis, with the first 6, in which both “beast” [including the serpent, the most subtil beast of the field] and “man” were created in the 6th Day; Genesis 1:24-31, 2:1-25 KJB, in which an “Image” is also mentioned.

Additionally, the very numerals themselves in Revelation 13:18 KJB, the “... Six hundred threescore and six.” have a [koine] Greek meaning for each numeral:

666; chi-xi-stigma χξC and thus means “chi-xi-stigma χξC Root word:​

the G22d (agamos ἄγαμος unmarried, unwedded, single),​

G14th (agathoergeō ἀγαθοεργέω to work good, to do good, to do well, act rightly)​

and an obsolete letter (4742 [stigma, mark, stick, prick] as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the G5th (abba ἀββα Abba = "father") and G6th (Habel Ἅβελ Abel = "vanity (that is: transitory)")), used as numbers” [Strong's].​

The meaning of the [koine] Greek numeral 666, is thus, an “unmarried [single] father who is marked by claiming good works, but all that he does is unlasting vanity”. See also Matthew 6:5, 23:5 KJB, etc. The very position of popery.

In the Sanctuary, is God’s truth (Psalms 77:13 KJB), but Satan perverts every single thing in God’s complete system of truth, and therefore, Satan inverts the sanctuary in all aspect, for we are not unwise to his devices ….

Exodus 26:35 KJB - And thou shalt set the table without the vail, and the candlestick over against the table on the side of the tabernacle toward the south: and thou shalt put the table on the north side.​

Side note, the table of shewbread, is the symbol of the Throne of God in the Holy Place, as it was covered in Gold, had a crown [for Kings] molding, and two places for bread, 6 and 6, a place for the Father and Son on the throne, as the Son lives by the word [bread] of the Father, we are to live by the word [bread] of Jesus [John 6:57; Revelation 3:21 KJB], of which the Tree of Light in the Holy place has 6 branches [Exodus 25:32,33,35,37:18,19,21 KJB] out of the central stock, even as it represents the Holy Spirit [Revelation 1:4, 3:1, 4:5, 5:6, 22:17 KJB], and this light [2 Peter 1:19 KJB] coming from Him, is the Spirit of Prophecy [Revelation 19:10 KJB] working in holy men, as they are moved by the Holy Ghost [2 Peter 1:20-21 KJB], thus the number 6 is the number of man [Genesis 1:26-31 KJB].

Thus Satan perverts the 666 of the Sanctuary, corrupting the Word of God, and puts in its place the word of men, and perverts the Golden branches, and the holy oil therein poured in by the Holy Spirit, for a false and lying spirit to deceive, that we may rely upon him and his ‘ministration of death’, that we may be branches separated from the true tree and vine – Christ Jesus.

See also: VICARIUS FILII DEI 666, The Number of the Beast​

And see also: VICARIUS FILII DEI and 666 - A Response to "Pope Fiction" by Patrick Madrid​

For discussion between a true protestant and a Roman Catholic.

For a graphic, see:

http://pictures.amazingdiscoveries.org/ChartsGraphs/5104-Roman-Numerals-666x550.jpg

The word “anti Christ” is also found in the so-called LXX (work of Origen in his hexapla), in Leviticus 6:22:

Leviticus 6:22 LXX (so-called): ὁ ἱερεὺς ὁ χριστὸς ἀντ᾽ αὐτοῦ ἐκ τῶν υἱῶν αὐτοῦ ποιήσει αὐτήν νόμος αἰώνιος ἅπαν ἐπιτελεσθήσεται​

Leviticus 6:22 KJB - And the priest of his sons that is anointed in his stead shall offer it: it is a statute for ever unto the LORD; it shall be wholly burnt.​

The word Anti Christ is defined in Thessalonians in its two definitions, opposing and exalted into the place of:

The next text:

2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJB - Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.​

The word “opposeth” is translated from [G480], “ἀντίκειμαι”, “antikeimai” and it is used variously as “opposeth” [2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJB], “adversary[ies]” [Luke 13:17, 21:15; 1 Corinthians 16:9; Philippians 1:28; 1 Timothy 5:14 KJB], and “contrary” [Galatians 5:17; 1 Timothy 1:10 KJB], basically meaning to stand up against and so oppose.

The word “exalteth” is translated from [G5229], “ὑπεραίρομαι”, “huperairomai” and is also used in 2 Corinthians 12:7 KJB, and those two words really define “anti-christ”, used similarly here :

2 Corinthians 12:7 KJB - And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.​

Yesterday, a spaceship from the planet Algore, crewed by little green men, landed in Times Square & told the today show execs they'd give them a cancer cure if they fired Matt Lauer. Proof? They fired Lauer!

Numerology is phony as a Ford Corvette. besides, how about adding up some of those names as they appear in other Bible versions than the KJV/ (NOT "KJB"!)

Apparently, you're a KJVO. I suggest you head over to the "Bible versions/translations" forum to see how-false the KJVO myth is, and to other threads to see how false preterism is.

 

[robycop3]

The title of the thread (thus also the subsequent OP) is - "666 - the scriptural [KJB] truth".

Now, when persons say, "scripture", "scriptural", etc, to me, I generally have no idea what they, themselves, mean by those words, as they generally never define, or demonstrate what they are talking about, when they say those words/things.

Therefore, I was simply defining from the start (title & OP), that when I use those terms/words ("scripture", "scriptural", etc.), in identifying the 666, etc., I mean specifically the King James Bible, which is, the word of God in English.

I hope that this answer was helpful to you, and clarified my specific choice of wording for you.

For further details on why the KJB, follow that which is given on my profile page, and select "The KJB vindicated" section.

"THE KJVO MYTH - MAN-MADE, PHONY AS A FORD CORVETTE!"

 

[robycop3]

"One Baptism", I shall be happy to debate you on the "Bible versions" forum over the KJVO myth - if you DARE.

I shall also be happy to challenge you over some of your SAD beliefs. SDA is no more than a pseudo-quasi-Christian CULT.

 

[One Baptism]

"One Baptism", I shall be happy to debate you on the "Bible versions" forum over the KJVO myth - if you DARE.

I shall also be happy to challenge you over some of your SAD beliefs. SDA is no more than a pseudo-quasi-Christian CULT.

"Debate" - Romans 1:29 KJB, "dare" [I am not 5 years old, and have put away such childish things, 1 Corinthians 13] - 2 Corinthians 10:12; Jude 1:9 KJB King James only? There seems to be a misunderstanding in what I have said. I believe in a perfect [without error in word] and preserved [by God Himself] word. The general title has nothing to do with it, there is no King James controversy, only a perfectly preserved word controversy. It would not have mattered if I had said [and I do not] that I think the NIV is the perfectly preserved word of God, or the Reina Valera - Gomez in Spanish, or the Purificada, or the Olivetan in French, or the Diodati in Italian, or the etc, etc. They who reject the idea of a perfectly preserved word that I can hold in my hand today would just as readily rail against those, had I said them [I do not].

By the last few posts, you do not seem open to study, and simply want to assert a position. I accept that you have that position. I think it is contrary to the plainest statements in regards perfection [even as Jesus was/is perfect, without error] and preservation [even as Christ Jesus Himself is preserved forever].

I would be glad to speak with you about what I believe as a Seventh-day Adventist, since what I believe as a Seventh-day Adventist is scriptural [KJB]. If you think that you are able to show me in error in what I believe [God's word is my 'creed'], by the scripture [KJB], since it is the final authority in all matters in faith and practice, please choose one subject, and I will create a new thread, to take a look, at it with you, in all humility, and prayerfully.

Cult? Such epithets only endear me more closely to my Saviour Jesus Christ [Romans 15:3], heap them up, I have heard far worse. Your word, is my badge of His honour, His perfection [Acts 24:14 KJB]. Sticks and stones may break my bones, and name calling may hurt me deeply, but those who turn away from this last message of mercy to a dying world, I weep for most of all [Luke 23:28 KJB], God knoweth. They will beg to enter in, after the door [Christ] is closed [as it was in the days of Noe, Lot], and they will be unable to do so, though they will seek for it with bitter tears, and be unable to find it [Hebrews 12:17 KJB]. Their howling in gnashing and misery will be too great, too horrible, too sad, too late. Turn ye, turn ye, for why will ye die [1 John 3:4 KJB]?

 

[utilyan]

One Baptism is a Seventh Day Adventist.

Their numerology has Ellen G White ' s name add to 666. (the Prophetess that is kept in the closet when talking to Christians.)

The whole thing is to attack the Catholic Church. Their prophetess claims the center of all the conflict will be Sunday worship, Claiming that Catholics only want Sunday worship and want to put to death any other day of worship. (Catholics have Mass Every day)

The Catholic Church is undoubtedly a major force against Abortion.

If you want the best dirt against SDA it is that they are for abortions.

Seventh Day Adventist want to keep Abortions, Their hospitals perform abortions.

You can read their stance on abortion here on their official website:
Abortion


When it comes to murdering children, "Attitudes of condemnation are inappropriate in those who have accepted the gospel."

If you worship on Sunday, you will never stop hearing them, but if you mention abortions
"The Church does not serve as conscience for individuals"

To quote them a bit more:

5) Christians acknowledge as first and foremost their accountability to God. They seek balance between the exercise of individual liberty and their accountability to the faith community and the larger society and its laws. They make their choices according to scripture and the laws of God rather than the norms of society. Therefore, any attempts to coerce women either to remain pregnant or to terminate pregnancy should be rejected as infringements of personal freedom.

6) Church institutions should be provided with guidelines for developing their own institutional policies in harmony with this statement. Persons having a religious or ethical objection to abortion should not be required to participate in the performance of abortions.

^so if you have no objections its "just fine".


Here is my favorite:

4) Valuable as it is, human life is not the only or ultimate concern. Self-sacrifice in devotion to God and His principles may take precedence over life itself (Revelation 12:11; 1 Corinthians 13).

So if that unborn baby gets in your way of your devotion to God, oh well that baby has to go.

 

[One Baptism]

One Baptism is a Seventh Day Adventist.

Their numerology has Ellen G White ' s name add to 666. (the Prophetess that is kept in the closet when talking to Christians.) ...

Thank you for bumping this thread [2 Corinthians 13:8 KJB, for even the serpent serves God's purposes], as it keeps the truth of 666 before the people, and others unaware before this moment, may be enlightened by so seeing it.

I am still awaiting for you to address points 1-12 on my previous post on the Roman 'apologetic' [sorry indeed] on sister White, in that she is a woman, etc., in post #7.

...1. Ellen comes from Old English, Helen, and if translated into Latin, would be something akin to Elena, Lena, etc., and means "bright, shining light", and therefore would have a different Latin Gematria.

2. Gould, is Anglo-Saxon, between 7th-12th Cent., coming from the word "Goult" or "gold", or from the manner of the life trade. To use a Latin Gematria on an Anglo-Saxon derived name is foolish. Rather, a person would have to translate the name into Latin, then use the Latin Gematria. I did notice that the Simple, English and Hebrew Gematrias were not used on the English name and spelling in the Roman Catholic 'apologetic'.

3. White, is an English word, not Latin, and in order to properly and correctly use the Latin Gematria, the word needs to be translated into Latin, then calculated. The word "white" could be translated into Latin by several words, Albums, Alb, or Candidus, Candida, Candidum (shining white, like the fungus), or Niveus, or Lacteus (like milk), or Canus, Cana, Canum, Purus (pure), Mundus, etc. Why was the word not translated into Latin, then calculated? Who uses a Latin language Gematria upon an English word with English spelling? An English, or Simple Gematria would be the proper Gematrias to use in this instance.

4. Sister Ellen G. White is a woman. Antichrist is "the son [male,man] of perdition" [John 17:12; 2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJB], thus male, "his name" [Revelation 13:17 KJB], "himself", "he", "himself" [2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJB], "eyes of a man" [Daniel 7:8 KJB], even as antichrist seeks to be in the place of God/Christ (Vicarivs Christi), both given in the masculine.

5. The position as held by antichrist, is not merely a single individual, but an entire "succession" of such individuals in that place, being "antichrists" [1 John 2:18 KJB], "man of sin" [2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJB], they being in contrast to the many individuals who being "the man of God" [2 Timothy 3:17 KJB]. Papal Rome, in it's official sources claims the "succession" for the "pontiff" position.

6. Antichrist is also linked to state/kingdom power/rule, either "horn" [Daniel 7:8,11,20,24,25,26, 8:10-13,23-26 KJB], or "king" [Daniel 11:40-45 KJB], or "beast" [Revelation 13:1-8,12,14,15,17,18 KJB].

7. Antichrist power was already showing signs of activity in the latter days of the Apostles [2 Thessalonians 2:7 KJB], and would grow into a great power [Daniel 7-12, Revelation 13 KJB], even world-wide power, though suffer a deadly wound [state power separated from church], and receive a healing (a false resurrection, a coming to life [Revelation 13:3,12 KJB], and come back more powerful and remain unto the second Advent of Jesus Christ in power and glory [2 Thessalonians 2:3-13 KJB], and so exist for 1,000's of years.

8. Antichrist would also commit "blasphemy" [Daniel 7:8,11,20,25; Revelation 2:9, 13:1,6, 17:3 KJB], which is [1.] Claiming the prerogatives of God (claiming to be God, and/or stand in His place) [Matthew 26:65; Mark 14:64; John 10:33 KJB], [2.] Claiming to be able to forgive sins [Mark 2:7; Luke 5:21, 7:49 KJB] and [3.] persecuting using state power in its behalf [Daniel 7:21, 8:10-12,23-26, 11:40-45; 1 Timothy 1:13; Revelation 13:7, 17:14, etc.]

9. It would be part of a Church-State union/amalgamation, thus being able to "war" and desires "worship" ["worshipped"; Revelation 13:4, "great whore (woman)", "war" Revelation 17:1-7,9,17 KJB], because it claims the doctrine of 'the two swords' [Church (word, Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12 KJB) and State (police, Romans 13:1-4 KJB) unified], see:

Churchcraft & Statecraft

Clay & Iron [Daniel 2:33-35,44,45 KJB]

Worshippeth/worshipped/great wonders/miracles/worship & War/power over/killeth with the sword/power/causeth [Revelation 13:4,7,8,10,12,15, 14:9,11 KJB]

Woman & Beast [Revelation 17:1-8 KJB]

Blasphemy & Crowns [Revelation 13:1,2,5,6, 17:3,18 KJB]

Understanding Dark Sentences & King of Fierce Countenance [Daniel 8:23 KJB]

Exalteth & Opposeth [2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJB]

Worshippeth & Sitteth (throne) [2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJB]

God service & Killeth you [John 16:2 KJB]

Peace (Gospel, Luke 2:14 KJB) & Safety (protection by king/state, Acts 5:23 KJB) [1 Thessalonians 5:3 KJB]

[Tabernacles & Palace [Daniel 11:45 KJB]]

10. The Simple Gematria ( for English alphabet) [A=1, B=2, C=3, ... Z=26]

E - 5
L - 12
L - 12
E - 5
N - 14

Sub - 48

G - 7
O - 15
U - 21
L - 12
D - 4

Sub - 59

W - 23
H - 8
I - 9
T - 20
E - 5

Sub - 65
Total - 172

11. English Gematria

E - 30
L - 72
L - 72
E - 30
N - 84

Sub - 288

G - 42
O - 90
U - 126
L - 72
D - 24

Sub - 354

W - 138
H - 48
I - 54
T - 120
E - 30

Sub - 390
Total - 1032

12. In medieval Latin symbols there is also the letter "O" (onze, French) = 11, and the letter "T" = 160, a "G" = 400, etc. See wikipedia "Roman Numerals". ...

That I am so acknowledged, as a Seventh-day Adventist, by one such as yourself, is indeed an honour to God's glory.

Please be aware however, of wheat and tares, and distinguish between sheep and goats.

For the other subject, you were instructed some while back as to what option you had to address the subject with me. You have yet to avail yourself of that option, and I can begin to see why.

 

[utilyan]

Thank you for bumping this thread [2 Corinthians 13:8 KJB, for even the serpent serves God's purposes], as it keeps the truth of 666 before the people, and others unaware before this moment, may be enlightened by so seeing it.

I am still awaiting for you to address points 1-12 on my previous post on the Roman 'apologetic' [sorry indeed] on sister White, in that she is a woman, etc., in post #7.



That I am so acknowledged, as a Seventh-day Adventist, by one such as yourself, is indeed an honour to God's glory.

Please be aware however, of wheat and tares, and distinguish between sheep and goats.

For the other subject, you were instructed some while back as to what option you had to address the subject with me. You have yet to avail yourself of that option, and I can begin to see why.

Why do you support murder?

Nonsense. Ellen G White is a NAME it is what it advertises to be. Her name is 666.

You do etymology gymnastics only when it fits you.



All this is to hide the fact that Seventh Day Adventist support abortion.

You will continue to hide the fact that you support the murder of children.

I have shown your official SDA website stating they support murder.

Abortion


THOU SHALT NOT KILL, Is a commandment of GOD! Why don't you believe in the commandment of GOD?


The Catholic church has been the #1 fighting force against abortion.

Of course you want them gone so you can continue to murder children.

I want everyone to see how long its going to take just to get this guy to cough up that abortion is wrong. We are 7 pages in and months.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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[One Baptism]

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Thanks Squire, it has been a good run.

A final note, for those interested in an Audio Book, on Jesus Christ and His life, and the counterfeit, Anti-Christ, see the Desire of Ages project and the Great Controversy project, excellent on the Life of Christ, and the Final Events including the 666 -

Myers Media

FREE GC Audio Book

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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