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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by thatbrian, Jan 4, 2018.

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  1. BobRyan

    BobRyan Well-Known Member

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    True.

    In Exodus Pharaoh "hardens his heart" - but Pharaoh is already spiritually dead -- that dead person choses to harden his heart. That is an action, a choice.

    And John 6 says that all we need is the "drawing of God" to act/ to choose / to come to Christ... it does not say "you must first be born again and THEN you can accept the Gospel"

    "I STAND at the door and knock - if anyone hears my voices AND OPENS the door - I will come in" Rev 3
     
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    Calvinism progresses by the method of 'extreme inference' - Arminianism advances via "explicit statements in scripture"

    Thus there is no text saying "you must first be born again - and then you can accept the Gospel" - it is merely much-inferred.


    Question for you... is this post really "too much Bible" to make the point?

     
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    Romans 10 says Nature itself is preaching the Gospel.

    Rom 10
    16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
    18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed:
    “Their sound has gone out to all the earth,
    And their words to the ends of the world.
    ”​

    Quotes Ps 19:1-5
    The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
    2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
    3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
    4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

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    Pilot asks Christ "what is truth" -- does not change the message in the text. The problem you are having is "with the text"

    Read the details in Romans -- scripture argues that

    16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

    is being satisfied by

    Rom 10
    16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
    18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed:
    “Their sound has gone out to all the earth,
    And their words to the ends of the world.
    ”​

    Quotes Ps 19:1-5
    The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
    2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
    3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
    4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

    Calvinism is always stuck on "how to BE God"
     
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    I'll try again. What is the gospel?
     
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    You have much to learn, IF you are teachable!
     
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    First, you should probably confirm whether your belief is that God pre-determined to be a Calvinist or if you freely came to your own conclusions on that theological position?
     
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    How would you suggest I make that determination?
     
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    How much of the Gospel does God have to tell someone before He is allowed to convict of sin according to John 16?

    How much of the Gospel is presented in Psalms 19:1-5 in your view?

    Is God telling the truth in Romans 10:16-18 in your view?
     
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    Not many people I ask know what the gospel is, which explains a lot about why so many hold to a false "gospel".
     
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    Fine. Tell me what I said that's wrong.
     
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