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Does God have a Mother?

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  1. Eliyahu

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    JohnV, then you are dividing Jesus into two natures, human and divine as Nestorius did because you said he was not 100% human before he was born out of Mary.
    If human nature was attached to Him thru Mary, doesn't it mean that He was without human nature before that time?
    Therefore can we say not that Mary is the mother only for the human nature?

    Eventually you guys are dividing Jesus into two aspects as Nestorius did.

    Think about 100% human and 100% divine in one unity before the birth!
     
    #61 Eliyahu, Dec 13, 2005
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    The human nature wasn't "attached" to him at the incarnation. The Word became flesh at the incarnation.
     
    #62 natters, Dec 13, 2005
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    Trinity concept:

    If you deny Mary is the mother of Holy Spirit, and deny that Mary is Mother of God the Father,

    but you believe in Tri-unity or trinity of God,

    then how can you say that God the Son has His Mother?

    Isn't the Bible is wiser than you are when it says "without mother, like Son of God" ?
     
    #63 Eliyahu, Dec 13, 2005
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    Natters, then you are returning to what I mentioned in the other thread. "The ovum of Mary was not used" instead, Word itself became flesh and Mary is just a human incubator or a surrogate mother. This is why Heb 7:3 says Son of God has no mother!
     
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    If you are correct, then you have a contradiction in scripture, for scripture calls Mary the "mother" of Jesus, who is "the Son of God".
     
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    Not at all. Jesus is fully human, and fully divine, without separate distinction. Hence, Mary, being his mother, is fully his mother, and since he is fully God the Son, she is mother of God the Son.
    Youre presumption is based on error of interpretation. Hebrews 7:3 doesn't refer to Jesus. Not until verse 11 is Jesus talked about.
     
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    That is Jesus Christ. However, Bible never express " Mother of God" because Mary didn't give birth to "divinity" of Christ.

    We have to stay with the Bible expression only. Otherwise we will be trapped into goddess worshipping as we see in Roman Catholic, Worship of Mary as Queen of Heaven (Jeremkiah 44:15-25)
     
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    JohnV, you didn't answer my question for the time before the birth thru Mary. Was Jesus fully divine and fully human before His birth?
     
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    Eliyahu,

    Is this verse a lie? If "yes", we're done here. If "no", you have to explain it before we can go further.

    Luke 2:33 And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.
     
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    What your'e doing is separating the natures of Jesus, doing the very thing you accuse the rest of us of doing. My spiritual nature is from God alone, but is it wrong for me to refer to my mother as only my physical mother? Ridiculous.

    Jesus is 100% God and 100% man, inseperable from each other. He is 100% God the Son. Mary is his mother, so it is correct to refer to her as mother of God the Son.
    Bait and switch tactic, irrelevant to the topic.
     
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    What the people calling Mary as Mother of God must answer is the following:

    How can you say God the Son has Mother while 3 deities are in unity,

    1)namely God the Father, Holy Spirit, and God the Son are in one
    2) Son of God has Mother, while Father and the Spirit do not have Mother.

    Was Mary the Mother of God, before Jesus was born?
     
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    JOHNV, you never answered me so far about this:

    Was Jesus 100% human and 100% divine before He was born?
     
    #72 Eliyahu, Dec 13, 2005
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    translation: "I'm going to disregard all the rebuttals to my comments so far."

    Easy: Mary is mother of God the Son. Not at all difficult to comprehend. Understand fully? Probably not until we go to be with the Lord. But comprehend? It seems you're the only one who doesn't comprehend it.

    I fail to see why this is difficult for you to comprehend. God the Son has a mother. God the Father and God the Holy SPirit do not.
    Yes. She was his mother from the time she concieved.
     
    #73 Johnv, Dec 13, 2005
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    Luke 2:23 doesn't say mother of God, it just means mother of Jesus, which I have been saying all the time.
     
    #74 Eliyahu, Dec 13, 2005
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    The 3 persons of the Trinity are not "one" in the way you think. Your question is approaching Monarchianism. For example, the Holy Spirit wasn't crucified, the Father wasn't begotten, etc.

    Before the conception, no, Mary wasn't the mother of God.

    But you agreed Jesus was "the Son of God"! You are contradicting yourself.
     
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    JOHN V, let me ask you further.

    Was Mary the Mother of God, before Jesus was conceived ?
     
    #76 Eliyahu, Dec 13, 2005
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    I believe Jesus is Son of God, but do not call Mary as Mother of God because her maternity relates only to the humanity!

    You are denying Trinity by separating God the Son having the Mother, and Holy Spirit and God the Father having no Mother.
     
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    Yet, nobody answered whether Jesus was 100% human and 100% divine before the conception.
     
    #78 Eliyahu, Dec 13, 2005
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    The humanity is God. The Word was made flesh!

    False. Apparently you do not understand the orthodox definition of the Trinity.
     
    #79 natters, Dec 13, 2005
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    I thought my comments were clear. No, Jesus was not 100% human before the conception.
     
    #80 natters, Dec 13, 2005
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