Mormon President Dead at 90, Church Goes Older for Replacement

No, it is not a matter of age that makes one closer to God. As mentioned in another post, succession to the Presidency is determined by which member of the Quorum of the Twelve has served the longest is said quorum.

 

. Now, I wonder if the mormon church will consider a new revelation from God that multiple wives is acceptable. (serious statement)[/QUOTE]

The answer would be no.

 

Do you actually know any mormons? Seriously.

 

As to your comment about King David, it is pointless. King David was a sinner like everyone else. Polygamy is an abomination. You should look at Doris Hanson's programs about the horrors of polygamy. www.whatloveisthis.tv

 

And you didn’t answer the question.
Moses had two wives. Yet somehow he managed to leave polygamy out of the law?
Jacob had at least two.
Etc.

 

What you are showing me is where men sinned. Do you think that you can become a god? What Scripture do you cite to prove that polygamy is not sin? King David and Moses murdered so does that make murder okay in your opinion?

 

So you don’t have an answer. Okay, next time just say so.
Nice deflection though to change the subject. =-). But to answer your question, the only time in the Bible marriage type is mentioned is concerning Jew marrying gentile, and Christians not marrying non believers and leaders of the church being husband of one wife.

 

Mormons are the ones without an answer to where Joseph Smith could have so many wives and even violate Levitical law. So far you have shown no Scripture whatsoever. Do you think that you can become a god? If Moses murdered an Egyptian, does that mean a Mormon can murder?

Here is a brief answer for now about the first marriage; unfortunately, I am too busy today to post much more, but I will be freer tomorrow:

'Let’s look closely at this passage and note several key phrases that indicate God’s intent for marriage to be monogamous—one man for one woman. First, God intended to make “a helper” for Adam, not several helpers. Second, from one rib God made one woman for Adam. Genesis 2:24 reveals the pattern of a man leaving his family to “be joined to his wife,” not wives. This union is then described as becoming “one flesh.”'

What About Polygamy in the Bible?

 

You do know that polygamy was done away with almost 130 years ago by the LDS church, yes? Still, funny that people don’t seem to know that.
Levitical law? You do understand Christ fulfilled the law which is why, among other things, we can enjoy pork and not demand males be circumcised?
Contrary to your assertion about polygamy being unbiblical what I have show is there wasn’t any particular general prohibition on it - I personally wouldn’t want a second wife and law prohibits the same in either case.
Your insistence on setting up straw men (do you believe you can become a a god? and since Moses murder does that make it okay for you to murder?) is a curious tactic - I have an opinion about the reasons for it, but it, like your straw men arguments it is not relavant to the topic at hand which is polygamy.
I’m new to this community, but what I have noticed is the commentators do not approve when the thread goes far afield so let’s agree on what we can:
1) Polygamy in the way it is seen today is usually a very bad thing (I have a friend who escaped from a polygamous community - so I have seen it).
2) Polygamy in the Old Testament usually caused conflict - Moses having a falling out with Aaron and Miriam, David and Bathsheba, Solomon and his harem.
Aside from the above I think we’ve exhausted this thread.

 

Are you an LDS member?

 

I do believe the thread is polygamy not “what is your denomination?”.

 

This helps to bring context to your replies so i can better understand where you are coming from and how i can address you. This is what good communication is all about.

 

Well, here’s the problem that I have found when people get hung up on denominations or doctrine.... they go from having a polite discussion (which is why I’m here) to using scripture as a brick stick - which is not what I’m interested in.

I have seen some of the “quaint” remarks people in this community have made about Mormons (everything from advocating violence - which no one denounced - to making wild claims about the LDS faith - that are wrong or they saw the obvious answer and automatically came to the wrong conclusion), and, quite frankly, let’s assume for a moment that I am a Mormon, I’m not interested in playing piñata with people.

So if you want to discuss polygamy or meet at some other discussion board and talk about another subject I am more than happy to have a nice, polite conversation with you. I, like you, enjoy getting other people’s point of view on different subjects. Not that we will agree, but it is nice to have a new way to look at things.

 

I was simply quoting what two Mormon missionaries told me about their own culture. It was in the context of discussing the age of Ezra Taft Benson as the new President back in the mid-1980s. Since I am not a Mormon, I went by what a Mormon said. I take it that you might be a Mormon. If so, I will trust your assessment of the culture.

Yes, I am aware of that.

 

He has an answer. He pointed out that both Moses and David were sinners... sometimes blatant ones. We are not supposed to blindly follow the example of the people of the scriptures, but rather, the teachings of the Law and Jesus.

Not really deflection. Your premise is that because David and Moses had plural wives, then it is fine for Joseph Smith to have required it (D&C Section 132). But that's a false premise, and "church mouse guy" pointed out that they both committed murder, so their lives are not to be used to validate just any practice.

Actually Jesus, when asked about the issue of divorce, pointed His audience back to Adam and Eve, not Adam, Eve, Peggy, and Judy.

Now if Joseph Smith Jr. were a real prophet of God, then you would have some traction in this argument. But he is not. His story contradicts itself.

 

That's not a straw man. That is common teaching in Mormon circles. I have heard it straight from missionaries and other Mormons.

Doctrine & Covenants Section 132, verse 20 used to say*, "Then shall they be Gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then they be above all, because all things are subject unto them..."

Aside from that being a tortured sentence, it clearly teaches godhood for faithful Mormons who participate in polygamy.

And then the fifth President of the Mormon church, Lorenzo Snow, famously taught, “As man now is, God once was; as God now is, man may be.”

* Sometime within the last 100 years, the word "Gods" was changed to lower case. However, if you find an old copy of Doctrine & Covenants, it reads exactly as I have quoted it here. NOTE: I have seen this myself, I'm not getting this from some other source other than an official Mormon-church-printed copy of Doctrine & Covenants.

 

I think most people know that. When the Mormons lost Reynolds v. United States, the Mormons changed their doctrine so that it wouldn't be a prohibition against the statehood of Utah.

It was never a good thing. It has always been against God's intent (see Matthew 19:4-5).

I agree.