The Function of the Law in the New Covenant

"kyredneck,

Hello Kyred

My understanding depends on the context...so why do you imagine I would disregard the context???
2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

What truth is that KYRED?

What law do you believe it to be KYRED?

He is going to go on and explain that the gentiles without any scriptural knowledge at all....do the works of the LAW.....
KYRED....you cannot possibly be suggesting that they did the works of the law as described in the ceremonial , or judicial law..

I agree with you here Kyred. That is because the puffed up self righteous Jews trusted that they were pleasing God by their version of law keeping:
vs. 13 is the rebuke...
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Now he continues his indictment of them
vs;17-
17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,

18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;

20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

Do you see how i am looking at the good verses you offered? They are specific to the Jews who had the oracles of God.

This is my take on it. The pastor I quote is the smartest person I have ever met face to face.....and I have met several solid godly persons.
Each one I have spoken with on this agree's.

yes...it is biblical Kyred.

 

'Against'. That's ALL you see in the context, 'against'? Hell, hell, hell; hell on the brain, false believers lurking around every corner and hiding behind every bush, lying in wait to jump out and...do what Icon?

Let's rightly divide it. His righteous judgement goes BOTH ways Icon:

5 but after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up for thyself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 who will render to every man according to his works:
7 to them that by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and incorruption, eternal life:
8 but unto them that are factious, and obey not the truth, but obey unrighteousness, shall be wrath and indignation,

The judgement of God goes both ways Icon, not just 'against', but also 'for'. Thus:

13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:

This law Icon:

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them After those days, saith the Lord: I will put my laws on their heart, And upon their mind also will I write them; then saith he, Heb 10

33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Jehovah: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people: Jer 31

3 being made manifest that ye are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in tables that are hearts of flesh. 2 Cor 3

Now you're being ridiculous. A 'doer of the law' is simply a 'fulfiller of the law' as defined by Paul in this same letter to the Romans:

8 Owe no man anything, save to love one another: for he that loveth his neighbor hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this word, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: love therefore is the fulfilment of the law. Ro 13

 

The Sabbath was the sign of the Old Covenant. Just as Circumcision was the sign of the Abrahamic covenant.But when Christ replaced the Old with the New, this included abolishing the Sabbath and circumcision. This is why Paul had so much trouble with the Jews trying to kill him. Plus, the ONLY portions of the law that strictly apply to us today are: “Therefore I conclude that we should not cause extra difficulty for those among the Gentiles who are turning to God, but that we should write them a letter telling them to abstain from things defiled by idols and from sexual immorality and from what has been strangled and from blood.” (Acts 15:19–20) (NET)

Also notice: ““The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Mount Sinai. The LORD did not make this covenant with our ancestors, but with all of us who are alive today.” (Deuteronomy 5:2–3). Although we know Abraham kept God's precepts, and they had some sort of priesthood while in Egypt, we do not know what it involved. There are no explicit commands defining it.

But if Jeremiah and Hebrews got it wrong, and the Ten Commandments continued in the New Covenant, we must return to keeping all of it, which means rejecting Jesus.

 

Love IS righteousness. Legalism is not.

 

Because of Love.

 

I would put bible above creed.

 

Everyone puts the bible above a written statement.
Your defective statement is a creed by the way.
The first thing any confession does is comment on scripture.how it is primary.
You suggest that the writers did not consider scripture at all,when in fact they put forth many more scriptures than you.

 

Thanks for sharing. Most of my position comes from the Reformed camp. But some are not as locked into the creeds as others. But if God replaced the Old Covenant completely with the New, as Jeremiah says, none of the Old, including Sabbath & Circumcision made it into the New. And nowhere in the NT does it say so. Paul nearly died several times proving my point.

 

You did

Heb4:9 indicates otherwise....there remains the keeping of a sabbath..
Does not mean it is found in Jesus eternally.....which is true, but it means the keeping of a day.

 

This is the spiritual Sabbath we experience in Christ when we cease from "keeping the physical Sabbath" and the rest of the Law. Trusting in his righteousness instead of our own.

 

The Law you speak of is the Two Great Commandments. The Ten Commandments hung from them at a level wicked people could relate to. The Two Great remain, the Ten do not. Love, not obligation and fear of material loss as with the Ten, determines good works in the NT.

 

Brother, they want to put a yoke upon God's people again. It's evident in their "fruit inspection" mentality. It's modern day Pharisaism.

The Law is Good and Holy, "If one Uses it Correctly."

 

Yes, as is any other religion of this world, as they all deny the Lord Jesus as scriptures describe Him as being.
I would tend to see papacy more as a False prophet in end times...

 

We are still obligated to a day of rest though, even under the NC. correct?

 

NO Reformed or Baptist that posts here would place any Creed/Confession on same par as the Bible, as the scriptures Alone were inspired by God.