Chosen in Him

I disagree! Being chosen means He died for my sins. It does not mean he chose us because of something with in us.After all Christ died for the ungodly. Your statement above says He chose us conditionally Which means because of a quality in us.Then you claim the choosing is unmerited. This is impossible.Jn 3:16 Christ died for the whole world. He chose us to be in Him but not all will be in Him. Other wise we have election instead of Salvation
Eph 1:4 says we "should" be holy and with out blame. It does not say "would" be holy and with out blame.
MB

 

We have election unto salvation, world wide
God elected sinners to be in Him, while they were yet in their sin and fallen..

 

There is no reference in scripture of being elected to Salvation in fact in;
2Ti 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
Notice it clearly says "may also obtain" it does not say they will obtain.
MB

 

There are now multiple issues. To deal with one now.

Revelation 13:8 does not say when names are written, rather states, ". . . whose names are not written in the book of life . . . ." A popular interpertation being the names having never been written in the book.

 

MB,
Every time you do this;
May also obtain, if, should,
Virtually everytime it is a certainty, not a contingency .
For example the word...ought...means must.
It is not a suggestion but a fact that is real in the life is a Christian.1tim3:15

 

None of this changes being elect prior the the creation of man (Ephesians 1:4).

And we know that there are those whose name are not written in the book since the creation of man (Revelation 13:8).

Bottom line, regardless of opion, only the whose name is in the book of life will not perish (Revelation 20:15).

Now there is the promise to those who are called the overcomer, that in no way the overcomer's name will be blotted out of the book of life (Revelation 3:5).

Now there is a popular belief one's name gets written in the book when one gets saved.

My understanding is everyone's name starts out in the book. And at some point between birth and death the name can be removed.

In the OT there are two places which mention names being blotted out. (Exodus 32:33; Psalms 69:27-28) In the NT one place, Revelation 3:5, with the promise of not in any way to be blotted out.

Now little children (Mark 10:14-15). The implication, should they die as such, their name is not blotted out. Now regarding this, Nicodemus had asked a question (John 3:4).

 

Of course it does not. As I stated, "But it [God's election] is wholly unmerited on the part of the God's elect (Romans 11:6).

What is said is purpose not merely a condition to be ment.
ειναι ημας ". . . for us to be . . ." It is God who makes us holy, not of any thing we can merit. So we should, I agree, seek to live like that.

 

It is unmerited.
I think you may have missed a few of my post in other threads. You see I have different views on election. I believe God chose all based on the fact that He died for the sins of everyone. Not just the elect as some claim. Election is not a surety of being saved. It wasn't for the Jews and it isn't for us. It's simple Salvation isn't about being elect. It's about believing in Christ Jesus. We have to remember that Judas was chosen yet He is lost. Judas betrayed our lord but that isn't why he went to hell. He went there because he did not believe in Christ. It's the same with every one that does not believe.

I agree with you on this but still it isn't about how we should live, it's about belief in Christ. If we do nothing else but believe we are still saved. Romans 4:5
MB

 

So the promise for those whom God has saved, the "overcomer," not to ever have their name blotted out is a non sequitur then? ". . . I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, . . ." -- Revelation 3:5.

 

Then the promise to never blot a name of those who are saved makes no sense. (Noting Exodus 32:33 the first reference to a names being removed from a record because of sin.)

 

Regardless of what ever one believes regarding God's election of believers, Ephesians 1:4 makes it explicitly clear that this election was before the creation of man.

 

True it does but depending on how you want to interpret it. I use scripture to interpret scripture. You then could say we were all saved before the creation. Already chosen to be saved. I don't believe everyone will be saved, so what exactly does this mean? .
Christ said;
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Sounds like to me that election doesn't really mean we will be saved but can be if we hear the gospel and believe. No one is saved with out faith first. Paul Wrote;
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Being saved by grace means we have to have faith first because grace can only come through faith.
So how do we know we are on the right path?
Paul wrote;
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Faith is not the gift. The Gift is Salvation. Hearing the gospel can give us faith if we listen to the gospel preached. This is the path.
Can you tell me what you think this verse is saying;
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
MB

 

The election is condtional per 1 Peter 1:2, ". . . according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: . . ." Of course one of the conditons is that it is wholly unmerited on the part of those whom God chose. We experience the election in time, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14. And we should make sure of it for ourselves 2 Peter 1:9-10.

Yes. Little children who die as such, no doubt have their names in the book, Mark 10:14; Revelation 20:15.

 

No. The election is before the creation of man (Ephesians 1:4) Not the salvation which is preceded by faith of the saved (Ephesians 2:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14). For us, we are not chosen until our time of faith. The election before man's creation is with God.