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John 12:32 in context

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by MB, Mar 11, 2019.

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  1. Dave G

    Dave G Well-Known Member

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    I do.
    I also appreciate your directing me to do so. :)
     
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    Hi Dave, no need to continue to discuss the meaning. I have studied it, and the meaning is obvious.
    Have a nice day
     
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    I also agree with Paul, but this does not mean every single solitary Gentile will hear it.
     
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    Now this is comic gold. Or better, a Greek tragedy.
     
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    Yes it comes from God as it is God's word. However, it is through this word how the Christ is revealed. It is not via natural revelation as Romans 1:18ff and Psalms 19 speaks about. Romans 1 is about fallen man's ruined state outside of the Christ. Those who have never heard the gospel, never knew one thing about the Christ, can not gain this knowledge via NR. NR shows them there is a Creator, but it does not show Him as Savior. It takes the word of God to bring the lost to saving faith.

    For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.” [Romans 1:16-17]

    Notice that the gospel is the power of God for salvation. He does not use NR to bring ppl to saving faith, it is His word He uses. Also, it is the gospel that reveals God's righteousness, not NR. Also, faith comes by hearing the gospel, not NR.
     
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    I believe what God's word says. It doen't say only a few. It's obvious to me Gentiles do make up most of the church today. There are a few Christians who are Jews.
     
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    I wouldn't laugh to hard.That is straight from a Greek interlinear.
    MB
     
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    Paul wrote it and God dictated it. It is clear to me.

    Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    It says they are with out excuse. We may not understand how but I have to take the word of God as truth.
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    All can be understood to be drawn, but not all will come, ". . . For many are called, but few are chosen. . . ." -- Matthew 22:14.
     
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    So do I. Please don’t allude to me not believing God’s word, okay?

    Where did I say it was a few. If a # that no man # can constitutes a few, then I agree only a few.

    When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”[Acts of the Apostles 11:18]

    God granting the Gentiles repentance is not to be conflated all Gentiles have been granted repentance.
     
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    Yes they are without excuse. But they are condemned already, condemned at birth. Except a new birth takes place, they will remain in their condemned state. It takes faith to justify. Faith comes by hearing the gospel. If they never hear it, they can never be justified.
     
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    That isn't what the word says in the Greek. Man is not ordained to eternal life while still in his sins and then after being ordained then believes.
    The Greek words it like this below;
    "Hearing and the nations rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord and believed as many as were appointed to eternal life"
    This is from the Greek interlinear bible by Jay P Green
    No one is appointed to eternal life with out being saved first. God does not appoint men to eternal life with out them believing.
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    I disagree they were condemned at birth. You need to prove that with scripture.
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    And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,[Hebrews 9:27]

    Your claim is off base. By using your logic, we are born unable to die and then appointed to die sometime later.
     
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    In Adam all die...
     
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    Dying is not condemnation. We all die saved or not. We are not condemned for Adam's sin that is not scriptural. Death entered the world because Adam sinned. Once it entered the world it was contaminated.
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    Adam represented us. When he sinned, we sinned, being in Adam. We were born with the sentence of condemnation upon us, even though we hadn’t personally committed a single solitary sin.

    The Christ, who never committed one sin, was treated as a sinner when He was imputed the sins of His elect. His elect are treated as being sinless, though they are still sinners saved by grace.
     
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    Seeing the wages of sin is death, if babies are born sinless, how can they die?
     
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    Not so. If I had to Quote the whole bible to get a point accross about what every verse says I would have to take upm the whole board. You have a bible check it out you might l earn something. I seriously doubt you agree with it because it means all men are drawn.
    [QUOTE="davidtaylorjr, post: 2486749, member: 14683"
    I haven't changed anything. I merely showed you the full context not one verse out of context.
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    No you used a Bible that has changed the meaning of the verse from what it says originally
    [QUOTE="davidtaylorjr, post: 2486749, member: 14683"
    What exactly did I add to the verse? I haven't added anything.


    I never said you misquoted verse 32. I said you ignored the rest of the passage and only looked at verse 32. That is the same mindset that says Jesus said we are not to judge in Matthew 7:1. It only says that if you don't read the rest of the passage.[/QUOTE]
    I didn't ignored it at all that is in your imagination. Truth is you just wish to accuse. You wish to make a big deal out of nothing.
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    That is not in scripture. We did not sin when Adam sinned.
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