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It is not part of the gospel. No where does scripture claim it is part of the gospel. At no time has it ever been preached that God will drag you to salvation if you are called.

The context of that is the calling of the disciples not salvation

 

Really? Jesus Himself said it in John 6.

In case you haven't noticed, the Gospel of John is about a LOT more than just the calling of the disciples.

 

This is not the first time you have done this. This post is called obfuscation. In laymen"s terms it is called muddying the waters. What you have said here, while it is fact, has nothing to do with my post nor does it provide clarity on this issue.

 

That was not obfuscation. Rather, the one of yours I am replying to is. And yes, my comment had everything to do with your post. You stated (in response to my telling you that the drawing of the Father is found in John's Gospel) the following:

But you never said what verse you are talking about, or what verse you think I am talking about. I said earlier in my accused obfuscation post the following:

But of course, you didn't engage with that.

In John 6, which is not dealing with the call of the disciples, Jesus says that no man can come to Him unless the Father draws him. The underlying Greek word for draw literally means to drag or pull by physical force.

So stop with the false accusations and actually engage with what I say or leave me alone.

 

You cannot have God as just love, as He is also Holy!

 

Nobody does that. No one blames sin on God.No scripture to support these ideas.

 

"Brad12d3

It might be better to explain why you think it exists.



[First, I would like to point out that everyone, no matter how good their intentions, how intelligent, or how well educated they may be are all susceptible to selection bias ( Selection bias - Wikipedia ) It doesn't take long to see how selection bias has crept into these debates time and time again in the past. People on both sides of the argument have their artillery of verses they fire out to prove their point. Perhaps this is why these debates are still unresolved after all this time?]

And yet, it says this is your second post??? so where does the time after time thing come in.

 

Strangely enough, nearly every one of Rm"s posts can be categorized as obfuscation