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There is a path to life Christ said;
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Then Calvinist say we are saved first we can do nothing to get Salvation. Yet Christ said there is a path we must take oh no was Christ suggesting a works for Salvation? I don't believe so yet there are requirements things we must do.
Calvinist cannot show one scripture where man has no choice in Salvation and yet they deny man has to be willing venomously.
MB

 

Prove it then. You claim this is true prove it. I believe in God not you.

 

Only believers will follow Jesus' commands. You cannot believe in any true sense unless first born again.

 

“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” (Romans 5:8–9)

 

Dave I'm convinced that you cannot be reached with the truth I'll let God change your mind.
MB

 

Many think believing with the flesh is biblical faith. It is not. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit only the born again have.

 

But you said we are justified.

 

I think "In the Light" needs to add to his list the "no need to answer, this was totally explained in the past."

 

The man with the withered hand could not lift it upwards?

And you did not address my points that the woman touched Jesus' garment by her own volition. Same thing with the afflicted at the end of Mark 6.

 

Good Golly,miss Molly, the preposition "en" means "in" but is also used to show instrumentality, the how, when, why of the action. Thus "by means of" sanctification "on the basis of" faith characterize the verb "chose."

All of this has been explained in the past, but you reject what scripture teaches.

 

Oh boy. It justs keeps getting farther and farther afield.

 

Have you ever seen a really withered hand? It is called withered for a reason.
He was not told to.lift it up, but to stretch it forth...that is what it cannot do.

 

God would not be good if he didn't justify us before repairing us.

 

Yep, it was all explained in the past to you.

But your clinging to “corporate” view prevents you from embracing the most conservatively clear teaching of Scripture.

It isn’t me who rejected the Scripture and as the faithful have witnessed to you abundantly you are without excuse.

 

Your interpretation of "stretch forth your hand" means to unball your fingers and straighten them out. So, in the following verses these people are uncurling and flexing their fingers to full length and NOT lifting their hand and gesturing with their arm?

And the Lord spake unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Stretch forth thine hand with thy rod over the streams, over the rivers, and over the ponds, and cause frogs to come up upon the land of Egypt. Exodus 8:5

And the Lord said unto Moses, Stretch forth thine hand toward heaven, that there may be hail in all the land of Egypt, upon man, and upon beast, and upon every herb of the field, throughout the land of Egypt. Exodus 9:22

And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days: Exodus 10:22

And David said to Abishai, Destroy him not: for who can stretch forth his hand against the Lord's anointed, and be guiltless? 1 Sam. 26:9

Though I walk in the midst of trouble, thou wilt revive me: thou shalt stretch forth thine hand against the wrath of mine enemies, and thy right hand shall save me. Psalm 138:7

He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. Daniel 11:42

Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other. Matt 12:13

And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! Matt. 12:49
Watch as Jesus uncurls and flexes his fingers to full length in the direction of the disciples and says BEHOLD! with a flourish!

 

Ummm... justification IS the repair. Our sin is covered by the blood of Jesus. We are no longer condemned. That is the repair. Sheesh.

 

We need to be justified by Christ blood so God can repair us. He would not be good otherwise.

 

Of course he isn’t!

What I showed was how the concepts are aligned,

You should have at least hung around long enough to gain an understanding of the view. Your statements of contention would show that education.

From what was “classic arminian” developed?

Obviously much of this is wrong , but at this time I don’t need to refute your statement. For the most part , others have.

Good verses. If they pertained to you post, we might actually explore them.

 

I am convinced Sir, you have no idea what my view is. You continue, as above to characterize my view incorrectly. All these strawman arguments simply deflect from the truth. Further, the absurd change a noun to a verb corruption of the text is your position not mine.

Ask yourself why people on your side seek to alter the text? Because it teaches conditional election!!

Why did God need to harden hearts if those affected had no ability to understand and respond to the gospel? You have no answer.

 

Justification is the repair. We are hellbound sinners. To repair that broken state, God justifies us.

And God is good no matter what conditions your theology tries to impose on Him.