Confess and Believe

[MB]

There is a path to life Christ said;
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Then Calvinist say we are saved first we can do nothing to get Salvation. Yet Christ said there is a path we must take oh no was Christ suggesting a works for Salvation? I don't believe so yet there are requirements things we must do.
Calvinist cannot show one scripture where man has no choice in Salvation and yet they deny man has to be willing venomously.
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[MB]

Christ justified us by his blood first, so God could justly save us through the new birth producing faith.

Prove it then. You claim this is true prove it. I believe in God not you.

 

[1689Dave]

There is a path to life Christ said;
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Then Calvinist say we are saved first we can do nothing to get Salvation. Yet Christ said there is a path we must take oh no was Christ suggesting a works for Salvation? I don't believe so yet there are requirements things we must do.
Calvinist cannot show one scripture where man has no choice in Salvation and yet they deny man has to be willing venomously.
MB

Only believers will follow Jesus' commands. You cannot believe in any true sense unless first born again.

 

[1689Dave]

Prove it then. You claim this is true prove it. I believe in God not you.

“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” (Romans 5:8–9)

 

[MB]

Dave I'm convinced that you cannot be reached with the truth I'll let God change your mind.
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[1689Dave]

Dave I'm convinced that you cannot be reached with the truth I'll let God change your mind.
MB

Many think believing with the flesh is biblical faith. It is not. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit only the born again have.

 

[Reynolds]

Justification includes a repaired life provided by the gospel.

But you said we are justified.

 

[Van]

This has all been explained to you, but you do not agree, and also do not agree that you rejected that which Scripture teaches on the subject.

I think "In the Light" needs to add to his list the "no need to answer, this was totally explained in the past."

 

[InTheLight]

You did not answer my question. Jesus commanded them to do what they could not do....just like the gospel command repent and believe the gospel.

The man with the withered hand could not lift it upwards?

And you did not address my points that the woman touched Jesus' garment by her own volition. Same thing with the afflicted at the end of Mark 6.

 

[Van]

Btw, "through" is also translated "by."

But, again, you would contend that it is human faith, and not faith given by God.

Good Golly,miss Molly, the preposition "en" means "in" but is also used to show instrumentality, the how, when, why of the action. Thus "by means of" sanctification "on the basis of" faith characterize the verb "chose."

All of this has been explained in the past, but you reject what scripture teaches.

 

[InTheLight]

Justification includes a repaired life provided by the gospel.

Oh boy. It justs keeps getting farther and farther afield.

 

[Iconoclast]

The man with the withered hand could not lift it upwards?

And you did not address my points that the woman touched Jesus' garment by her own volition. Same thing with the afflicted at the end of Mark 6.

Have you ever seen a really withered hand? It is called withered for a reason.
He was not told to.lift it up, but to stretch it forth...that is what it cannot do.

 

[1689Dave]

Oh boy. It justs keeps getting farther and farther afield.

God would not be good if he didn't justify us before repairing us.

 

[agedman]

Good Golly,miss Molly, the preposition "en" means "in" but is also used to show instrumentality, the how, when, why of the action. Thus "by means of" sanctification "on the basis of" faith characterize the verb "chose."

All of this has been explained in the past, but you reject what scripture teaches.

Yep, it was all explained in the past to you.

But your clinging to “corporate” view prevents you from embracing the most conservatively clear teaching of Scripture.

It isn’t me who rejected the Scripture and as the faithful have witnessed to you abundantly you are without excuse.

 

[InTheLight]

Have you ever seen a really withered hand? It is called withered for a reason.
He was not told to.lift it up, but to stretch it forth...that is what it cannot do.

Your interpretation of "stretch forth your hand" means to unball your fingers and straighten them out. So, in the following verses these people are uncurling and flexing their fingers to full length and NOT lifting their hand and gesturing with their arm?

And the Lord spake unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Stretch forth thine hand with thy rod over the streams, over the rivers, and over the ponds, and cause frogs to come up upon the land of Egypt. Exodus 8:5

And the Lord said unto Moses, Stretch forth thine hand toward heaven, that there may be hail in all the land of Egypt, upon man, and upon beast, and upon every herb of the field, throughout the land of Egypt. Exodus 9:22

And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days: Exodus 10:22

And David said to Abishai, Destroy him not: for who can stretch forth his hand against the Lord's anointed, and be guiltless? 1 Sam. 26:9

Though I walk in the midst of trouble, thou wilt revive me: thou shalt stretch forth thine hand against the wrath of mine enemies, and thy right hand shall save me. Psalm 138:7

He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. Daniel 11:42

Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other. Matt 12:13

And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! Matt. 12:49
Watch as Jesus uncurls and flexes his fingers to full length in the direction of the disciples and says BEHOLD! with a flourish!

 

[InTheLight]

God would not be good if he didn't justify us before repairing us.

Ummm... justification IS the repair. Our sin is covered by the blood of Jesus. We are no longer condemned. That is the repair. Sheesh.

 

[1689Dave]

Ummm... justification IS the repair. Our sin is covered by the blood of Jesus. We are no longer condemned. That is the repair. Sheesh.

We need to be justified by Christ blood so God can repair us. He would not be good otherwise.

 

[agedman]

Not true not one bit of it. Our preacher has never taught the tulip Nor has any before Him.

Of course he isn’t!

What I showed was how the concepts are aligned,

I've only been to one that taught Calvinism and I didn't go back a second time.

You should have at least hung around long enough to gain an understanding of the view. Your statements of contention would show that education.

Free will Baptist

From what was “classic arminian” developed?

LOL You really believe that all Christianity revolves around Calvinism don't you? You are sadly misinformed. Calvinism is an invention of Augustine the author of the Catholic faith your Calvinism came out of it. Your whole statement here is a Bragg that just isn't true. While you believe in the traditions of men I believe in Christ alone. All I need is God's word you need all the Calvinist that believe as you do. Here you are unable to prove we all sinned in Adam. This proves you believe in What men have told you and not in scripture because scripture never says we all sinned in Adam making us all born sinners. You claim Christian faith but you twist the scriptures to make it say what you think is truth.

Obviously much of this is wrong , but at this time I don’t need to refute your statement. For the most part , others have.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

MB

Good verses. If they pertained to you post, we might actually explore them.

 

[Van]

Yep, it was all explained in the past to you.

But your clinging to “corporate” view prevents you from embracing the most conservatively clear teaching of Scripture.

It isn’t me who rejected the Scripture and as the faithful have witnessed to you abundantly you are without excuse.

I am convinced Sir, you have no idea what my view is. You continue, as above to characterize my view incorrectly. All these strawman arguments simply deflect from the truth. Further, the absurd change a noun to a verb corruption of the text is your position not mine.

Ask yourself why people on your side seek to alter the text? Because it teaches conditional election!!

Why did God need to harden hearts if those affected had no ability to understand and respond to the gospel? You have no answer.

 

[InTheLight]

We need to be justified by Christ blood so God can repair us. He would not be good otherwise.

Justification is the repair. We are hellbound sinners. To repair that broken state, God justifies us.

And God is good no matter what conditions your theology tries to impose on Him.