Confess and Believe

[MB]

Yep, it was all explained in the past to you.

But your clinging to “corporate” view prevents you from embracing the most conservatively clear teaching of Scripture.

It isn’t me who rejected the Scripture and as the faithful have witnessed to you abundantly you are without excuse.

Well goodness what are you so upset about the man has humility in that he doesn't believe that God has individual favorites. While you do in your particular election.
Then you might say God is no respecter of persons but you know better don't you. Is God confused when He commands that all men every where to repent. Act 17:30

I mean how can all men repent unless repentance has been granted to all men. I would think that If God commanded all men to repent that would blow individual election out of the water. Since individual election isn't in scripture who needs it?
Do you believe God is going to run out of room in heaven if everyone is saved.?
MB

 

[Reformed]

Well goodness what are you so upset about the man has humility in that he doesn't believe that God has individual favorites. While you do in your particular election.
Then you might say God is no respecter of persons but you know better don't you. Is God confused when He commands that all men every where to repent. Act 17:30

I mean how can all men repent unless repentance has been granted to all men. I would think that If God commanded all men to repent that would blow individual election out of the water. Since individual election isn't in scripture who needs it?
Do you believe God is going to run out of room in heaven if everyone is saved.?
MB

#35

ITL, did I do it right?

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[InTheLight]

#35

ITL, did I do it right?

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There's at least 35 faulty non-Cal arguments? LOL! Well played.

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[Squire Robertsson]

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[Reformed]

There's at least 35 faulty non-Cal arguments? LOL! Well played.

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Well, considering who I gave that score to, it was like hitting a beach ball over the center of the plate. LOL

 

[agedman]

I am convinced Sir, you have no idea what my view is. You continue, as above to characterize my view incorrectly. All these strawman arguments simply deflect from the truth. Further, the absurd change a noun to a verb corruption of the text is your position not mine.

Ask yourself why people on your side seek to alter the text? Because it teaches conditional election!!

Why did God need to harden hearts if those affected had no ability to understand and respond to the gospel? You have no answer.

Van, in all our posts have I ever supported a corporate view? You have.

Have I ever changed a part of speech in the original languages?

There is no “seeking to alter the text,” there is reading the text in context in a conservative view, and taking in the culture of both speaker and audience, along with the balance of all Scripture must always be considered with any explaining.

God hardens to confirm the hardness already present. For example, Pharaohs heart was already hard. What God said to Mosses was to make that heart even more obstinately in opposition.

By attempting to show the hearts could be pliable but God hardened them is not consistent the nature of God. Logic would consider that God first loved the creation, gave his Son for the creation is not a God that would harden hearts so the would reject Him.

Rather the hearts have already turned to their own way, already stand in condemnation, are already rejecting.

So, Van, I DO have the answers, drawn from the biblical principles based on the purity and conservative reading of all passages.

 

[agedman]

Well goodness what are you so upset about the man has humility in that he doesn't believe that God has individual favorites. While you do in your particular election.
Then you might say God is no respecter of persons but you know better don't you. Is God confused when He commands that all men every where to repent. Act 17:30

I mean how can all men repent unless repentance has been granted to all men. I would think that If God commanded all men to repent that would blow individual election out of the water. Since individual election isn't in scripture who needs it?
Do you believe God is going to run out of room in heaven if everyone is saved.?
MB

Of course God chooses. It is not a matter of “favoritism” for such mercy is unmerited.

It is your view that is most unfavorable, for it turns the Sovereign of all into that which is weak and must turn all His love and the ultimate gift of His son into the that which the unredeemed manipulates.

God does not concern Himself with status and station. That is why He is not subservient to kings, but is The King. They bow to Him, not the other way around.

You spend too much time with “I think” rather than that which the Bible declares is the truth.

So much “I think” that you are obliged to conform Scriptures to the “I think.”

 

[Iconoclast]

The man with the withered hand could not lift it upwards?

And you did not address my points that the woman touched Jesus' garment by her own volition. Same thing with the afflicted at the end of Mark 6.

So Lazarus lifted himself up in the same way?

 

[Van]

Van, in all our posts have I ever supported a corporate view? You have.
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I simply deleted without reading further than you opening sentence. Did any one say you supported a corporate view? Nope. So yet another deflection.

 

[Van]

We are saved by grace through faith. Therefore faith provides our access to the grace of salvation. Therefore our faith exists before we are saved. When you enter a room (filled with grace) you go through the door before, repeat before, you are in the room. You do not suddenly appear in a doorless room, and a detached door materializes. Such is the absurdity presented.

 

[Reformed]

So, in the end, there were 189 posts in this thread (apart from the OP and this post) and few of them actually were in response to the OP. I have to hand it to you thread pirates. You outdid yourself this time. You win the Complicate the Obvious award.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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