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But you missed the point, MB.

NON Calvinists teach Adam was a living soul, who upon death passed into some place God prepared.

NON Calvinists teach that the fall of man corrupted Adam and thereby ALL because ALL have sinned.

NON Calvinists teach that without the direct work of the Holy Spirit no man can be saved.

NON Calvinists teach that humankind is incapable, have no innate ability, and are brought by God's choice to salvation. Such do construct an unbiblical prevenient / preceding grace that lifts one into a neutral position that allows that person to accept or reject salvation. But that grace is not automatic, and will for each individual have a final call made where God's prevenient / preceding grace forever withdraws from that person.

NON Calvinists also teach (at least Baptist ones do) the preservation / perseverance of the saints, referred to "once saved always saved."

NON Calvinists teach both predestination and election - they merely adjust the timing.

So, for you to state, I deny most all of Calvinism is also to deny what Non-Calvinists teach.

All Biblical teaching has some Calvinistic elements, but either timing is adjusted, conditions are adjusted, or one proposes some freedom of will, or innate ability into the mix.

But ultimately, the thinking in the most conservative presentation resolves to a basic calvinistic approach.

Name a group (other than RCC), be it Methodist, Baptist, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Church of God,... in which the Bible is taught as the basis of all faith and practice, and their views boiled to the basic level resolve to that which is calvinistic.

Now you may push back against such a statement, but it is none the less true.

 

In the rapture our flesh will be resurrected. How ever in the case of Adam there is nothing that suggest that Adam was saved. He didn't know anything about Jesus Christ or about the path that leads to life. No one is saved with out Christ this is why He came to bear our sins. Those in the old testament could not be saved. The blood of bulls and goats do not save. Adam did not have Christ.
Joh_14:6 Jesus said to him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me.
MB

 

Hand was lifted up to Jesus. Jesus healed it.

And what about the woman who walked next to Jesus and touched his garment, unbidden by Jesus?
And the many, many crippled people in Mark 6 that reached out and touched his clothes and were healed?

What did Jesus command them to do?

 

You must have the Holy Spirit before you can believe. You must believe before you can surrender, or you would not even consider Christ.

 

You must have the Call of The Holy Ghost.

 

How could anyone be chosen to believe since 2 Thessalonians 2:13 teaches we are chosen ... through... faith in the truth.

How could anyone be regenerated before they are in Christ since we are regenerated (made alive spiritually) when we are put in Christ.

 

“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.” (1 Peter 1:23)

 

"Flesh and blood cannot enter..." Paul wrote, "We who are alive and remain..." are changed as the corruptible becomes incorruptible.

"We are a new CREATION, created in Christ Jesus."

Nothing of this body - including the intangibles such as the human hope, the human will, the human thinking, enters the kingdom of God.

He may, or he may not. as you state, there is nothing to suggest either. However, upon the death of Christ, he preached to the dead. But there is nothing given of that either.

Christ's blood was shed for all sin of all creation (this is where I and strict calvinistic thinkers are in disagreement). However, Paul instructs that the death and resurrection are given only to believers.

When Jesus said that statement, in the context who was he telling it to?

The audience is always important when discerning Scripture verses, isn't that correct?

 

This has all been explained to you, but you do not agree, and also do not agree that you rejected that which Scripture teaches on the subject.

 

Btw, "through" is also translated "by."

But, again, you would contend that it is human faith, and not faith given by God.

 

Your point?

 

The word is Spirit and life and speaks the new birth into the hearts of the redeemed. Those not redeemed hear it at flesh level and either accept a false Christ or walk away.

 

You did not answer my question. Jesus commanded them to do what they could not do....just like the gospel command repent and believe the gospel.

 

Not true not one bit of it. Our preacher has never taught the tulip Nor has any before Him.
I've only been to one that taught Calvinism and I didn't go back a second time.

Not true at all

Not true at all

Free will Baptist

LOL You really believe that all Christianity revolves around Calvinism don't you? You are sadly misinformed. Calvinism is an invention of Augustine the author of the Catholic faith your Calvinism came out of it. Your whole statement here is a Bragg that just isn't true. While you believe in the traditions of men I believe in Christ alone. All I need is God's word you need all the Calvinist that believe as you do. Here you are unable to prove we all sinned in Adam. This proves you believe in What men have told you and not in scripture because scripture never says we all sinned in Adam making us all born sinners. You claim Christian faith but you twist the scriptures to make it say what you think is truth.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

MB

 

You don't accept Christ after redemption.

 

Christ justified us by his blood so God could justly save us. God would not be good if he did not pay for our sins before restoring us.

 

Once we are justified, what else would we need to be saved?

 

Justification includes a repaired life provided by the gospel.

 

Yes but the redemption must be applied before Salvation and it cannot unless the man repents and believes in that order. Of course you will call it work but faith is not a work neither is repentance.
MB

 

Christ justified us by his blood first, so God could justly save us through the new birth producing faith.