Confess and Believe

[MB]

It is found in scripture, that is why they listed.it as they have.you just hate that it is so scriptural that you cannot deal with it except to just deny it w

If it were you would be posting the scripture that supports your view of all men sinning in Adam . You have not even attempted to support your view of it because you have no support.

The verse goes not mean all have sinned by their own experience(which we have).
It means...all sinned at one point in time.All sinned in Adam in the garden...that is exactly what it means and that is exactly what you deny.
It is written in the aorist tense...look it up.

There you go telling me what a verse means. I can read and I have a good understanding of scripture. There is no support for Adam falling or all men sinning in Adam. Non sense is what this is. The scriptures themselves make what you believe about this ridiculous.
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[MB]

I didn't say that. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit God must provide before you can believe in any true sense.

Would you care to prove that my faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. Where do you get this stuff from.
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[1689Dave]

Would you care to prove that my faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. Where do you get this stuff from.
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“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,” (Galatians 5:22)

 

[MB]

What happens if you refuse to respond?

If we do not respond to the call. we are lost and if we reject it still when we die, we will be in Hell for ever
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[InTheLight]

If you are starving and dehydrated, and someone throws a meal ticket at your feet, you are he one who saves your life by picking it up and using it.

But the final savior is the one who chooses to eat.

Here's a good example of what 1689Dave is talking about. In this instance, according to 1689Dave, the paralytic is the saivor because he did a work, took action, and chose to stretch out his hand.

Mark 3:1 And He entered the synagogue again, and a man was there who had a withered hand.
2 So they watched Him closely, whether He would heal him on the Sabbath, so that they might accuse Him.
3 And He said to the man who had the withered hand, “Step forward.”
4 Then He said to them, “Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they kept silent.
5 And when He had looked around at them with anger, being grieved by the hardness of their hearts, He said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And he stretched it out, and his hand was restored as whole as the other.

And here is another person, according to 1689Dave that did a work, and was her own savior.

Mark 5:25 Now a certain woman had a flow of blood for twelve years,
26 and had suffered many things from many physicians. She had spent all that she had and was no better, but rather grew worse.
27 When she heard about Jesus, she came behind Him in the crowd and touched His garment.
28 For she said, “If only I may touch His clothes, I shall be made well.”
29 Immediately the fountain of her blood was dried up, and she felt in her body that she was healed of the affliction.


And a whole lot more...

Mark 6:56 Wherever He entered, into villages, cities, or the country, they laid the sick in the marketplaces, and begged Him that they might just touch the hem of His garment. And as many as touched Him were made well.

How dare these people reach out an receive grace from Jesus?! How dare they act as their own savior!

 

[1689Dave]

Here's a good example of what 1689Dave is talking about. In this instance, according to 1689Dave, the paralytic is the saivor because he did a work, took action, and chose to stretch out his hand.

Mark 3:1 And He entered the synagogue again, and a man was there who had a withered hand.
2 So they watched Him closely, whether He would heal him on the Sabbath, so that they might accuse Him.
3 And He said to the man who had the withered hand, “Step forward.”
4 Then He said to them, “Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they kept silent.
5 And when He had looked around at them with anger, being grieved by the hardness of their hearts, He said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And he stretched it out, and his hand was restored as whole as the other.

And here is another person, according to 1689Dave that did a work, and was her own savior.

Mark 5:25 Now a certain woman had a flow of blood for twelve years,
26 and had suffered many things from many physicians. She had spent all that she had and was no better, but rather grew worse.
27 When she heard about Jesus, she came behind Him in the crowd and touched His garment.
28 For she said, “If only I may touch His clothes, I shall be made well.”
29 Immediately the fountain of her blood was dried up, and she felt in her body that she was healed of the affliction.


And a whole lot more...

Mark 6:56 Wherever He entered, into villages, cities, or the country, they laid the sick in the marketplaces, and begged Him that they might just touch the hem of His garment. And as many as touched Him were made well.

How dare these people reach out an receive grace from Jesus?! How dare they act as their own savior!

Had he not stretched it forth, he would not have been restored. So he was the healer unless previously born again (part of the healing) causing him to believe enough to stretch it forth.

 

[MB]

“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,” (Galatians 5:22)

Agreed: It is a fruit but that does not mean we had no faith before Salvation. The Holy Spirit gives us faith through the hearing of the scriptures. So how does this prove that we sinned with Adam.
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[1689Dave]

Agreed: It is a fruit but that does not mean we had no faith before Salvation. The Holy Spirit gives us faith through the hearing of the scriptures. So how does this prove that we sinned with Adam.
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The flesh believes in a false Christ because it cannot discern spiritual truth. So it accepts and worships an idol. And tries to act like a Christian in its own power. But these are not saved.

 

[MB]

Had he not stretched it forth, he would not have been restored. So he was the healer unless previously born again (part of the healing) causing him to believe enough to stretch it forth.

This is not true you are saying Christ did not heal this man. The man healed himself. What a distorted view. The power for the healing came from Christ not the man.
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[1689Dave]

This is not true you are saying Christ did not heal this man. The man healed himself. What a distorted view. The power for the healing came from Christ not the man.
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No, the healing began with the new birth and the faith it produced.

 

[InTheLight]

Had he not stretched it forth, he would not have been restored.

So he had to do something, he had to cooperate with Jesus, had to take Jesus up on his offer of grace:
[Jesus] said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And he stretched it out, and his hand was restored as whole as the other.

So he was the healer unless previously born again (part of the healing) causing him to believe enough to stretch it forth.

So you are saying the man with the withered hand was born again an instant before he stretched out his hand? And being born again in that split second beforehand caused him to believe (he could believe because he was given the gift of faith) and therefore he was healed?

Oh, please elaborate on this new theology.

 

[1689Dave]

So he had to do something, he had to cooperate with Jesus, had to take Jesus up on his offer of grace:
[Jesus] said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And he stretched it out, and his hand was restored as whole as the other.



So you are saying the man with the withered hand was born again an instant before he stretched out his hand? And being born again in that split second beforehand caused him to believe and therefore he was healed?

Oh, please elaborate on this new theology.

But he was first born again or he would not have believed enough to stretch it forth.

 

[InTheLight]

But he was first born again or he would not have believed enough to stretch it forth.

Funny, I looked and looked and looked for the part about him being born again first and I just don't see it in scripture. Could you point me to the text that shows he was born again beforehand? And not just force your beliefs into the text?

 

[1689Dave]

Funny, I looked and looked and looked for the part about him being born again first and I just don't see it in scripture. Could you point me to the text that shows he was born again beforehand? And not just force your beliefs into the text?

Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit which enabled him to believe and receive.

 

[MB]

The flesh believes in a false Christ because it cannot discern spiritual truth. So it accepts and worships an idol. And tries to act like a Christian in its own power. But these are not saved.

Those who cannot surrender to Christ.are lost.
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[Reynolds]

Paul taught salvation by grace.

Well then, obviously believing and confessing can not be works.

 

[1689Dave]

Well then, obviously believing and confessing can not be works.

If they become conditions rather than fruits of salvation, the gospel becomes law and grace becomes works.

 

[Reynolds]

This has no biblical basis, scripture says not all have faith.

Even as a C.A. I have to totally agree with you on that one. I just don't understand those "traditionalists".

 

[InTheLight]

Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit which enabled him to believe and receive.

Don't force your beliefs on the text.

Where is the scripture that says this man with the withered hand was born again in the moment before he stretched it forth to be healed? Where is the scripture that says the woman that touched the hem of Jesus' garment was born again? How about all those people in Mark 6:56 that were healed by touching Jesus' clothing? They were all born again beforehand?

 

[1689Dave]

Those who cannot surrender to Christ.are lost.
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But only the saved surrender.