Featured WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

mailmandan · Oct 19, 2019

3rdAngel said: ↑

WRONG!

The CONTEXT of HEBREWS 4:9 is HEBREWS 4:1-9 that defines "GOD'S REST" as the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of "CREATION and HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4 is stating that no one enters "GOD'S REST" which is defined as the "SEVENTH DAY SABBATH AT CREATION" in HEBREWS 4:1-5 without first entering the "GOSPEL" rest of believing and following Gods WORD v2. This is the "CONTEXT" to HEBREWS 4:9

Now that we have established the "CONTEXT" of HEBREWS 4:9 and allowed God's WORD to define what is "GOD'S REST" lets continue...

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH (σαββατισμός sabbatismos).

or parrallel..

HEBREWS 4:9 [9],THERE REMAINS THEN A SABBATH REST (σαββατισμός sabbatismos) FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

Strong's Concordance
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration:sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: a sabbath rest
Usage: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4520: σαββατισμός
σαββατισμός, σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath);
1. a keeping sabbath.
2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians (R. V. sabbath rest): Hebrews 4:9. (Plutarch, de superstit. c. 3; ecclesiastical writings.)

(Source: Bible Hub linked)

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The translation for "Keeping Sabbath" comes from the Greek word that is used in Hebrews 4:9, σαββατισμός, pronounced sabbatismos, which is a noun form that means Sabbath rest, Sabbath (keeping) observance (Arndt and Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament).

This definition of the Greek word σαββατισμός sabbatismos is confirmed by other historical works: The words 'keeping sabbath' or sabbath rest is translated from the GK noun sabbatismos, [and is] a unique word in the NT.

This term appears also in Plutarch (Superset. 3 [Moralia 166a]) for sabbath observance or keeping, and in four post-canonical Christian writings which are not dependent on Heb. 4:9 (The Anchor Bible Dictionary, Vol. 5, p. 856).

The Greek word, σαββατισμός sabbatismos, is a noun. The verb form of the word is σαββατίζω sabbatizo, which means to keep the Sabbath (Arndt and Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament).

This definition of σαββατίζω Sabbatizo is confirmed by its use in the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Old Testament which dates from third century BC. It is called the Septuagint, meaning Seventy because the first five books were translated by seventy scholars who were Greek-speaking Jews in Alexandria, Egypt. Jews used the Septuagint in synagogues throughout the Roman empire, and by the Greek-speaking Jewish and Gentile coverts in the early New Testament church. The apostle Paul quotes extensively from the Septuagint in his epistle to the Hebrews. When Paul used the Greek word σαββατισμός sabbatismos in Hebrews 4:9, he knew that the meaning of this word was well known to the Greek-speaking believers of that day. The verb form σαββατίζω, sabbatizo was used in the Septuagint which was as familiar to the Greek-speaking Jews and Gentiles of New Testament times as the King James Bible is to Christians today.

The use of the verb σαββατίζω sabbatizo in Leviticus 23:32 in the Septuagint leaves no room to mistake its meaning. The Greek English Lexicon of the Septuagint defines σαββατίζω sabbatizo as to keep sabbath, to rest (Lust, Eynikel, Hauspie). The English translation of this verse in the Septuagint reads: It [the Day of Atonement] shall be a holy sabbath [literally, a Sabbath of Sabbaths] to you; and ye shall humble your souls, from the ninth day of the month: from evening to evening shall ye keep your sabbaths (The Septuagint With the Apocrypha, Brenton).

The phrase shall ye keep your sabbaths is translated from the Greek phrase σαββατιείτε τα σάββατα sabbatieite ta sabbata, which literally means, You shall sabbathize the Sabbaths. The form of the Greek verb σαββατίζω sabbatizo is the second person plural σαββατιείτε sabbatieite, which means, ye shall keep. Since the verb sabbathize, means to keep the Sabbath, this verb is a special verb that also relates to and defines Sabbath-keeping, for God’s command for the land Sabbath every seven years. In the entire Septuagint, the verb σαββατίζω sabbatizo is never used to define the keeping of anything else. Rather, it is always used in relation to Sabbath-keeping and Sabbath-keeping only. In keeping with this definition, the KJV translates σαββατιείτε sabbatieite, this way: shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

There is no question that the Greek verb σαββατίζω sabbatizo in Leviticus 23:32 is specifically referring to Sabbath observance. This meaning applies equally to the noun form σαββατισμός sabbatismos, which we find in Paul’s epistle to Hebrews. The fact that Paul used the Septuagint translation in this epistle confirms that the meaning word σαββατισμός sabbatismos, in Hebrews 4:9, is in complete accord with the meaning of σαββατιείτε τα σάββατα sabbatieite ta sabbata, in Leviticus 23:32. Clearly Paul is upholding the observance of the Sabbath, the seventh day of the week.

And there you have it. Clearly, the Sabbath is still very much valid today, and to say that we no longer have to keep it holy, because Jesus is our Sabbath rest, is dangerous and foolish and is simply not biblical as the only definition of God's 4th commandment "SABBATH" is "THE SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK" *Exodus 20:10; Matthew 12:8.

Sorry friend God's WORD disagrees with you. May you receive God's WORD and be blessed.
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Well folks, 3rdAngel is WRONG AGAIN! Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" is used no where else in the Bible! Amazing that Sabbatarians would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else!

W.E. Vine, Greek Dictionary on "Rest" proves the SDA argument wrong:

A2. KATAPAUSIS (2663), in classical Greek, denotes a causing to cease or putting to rest; in the N.T., rest, repose; it is used (a) of God's rest, Acts 7:49; Heb. 3:11, 18; 4:1, 3 (twice), R.V. (1st part), "that rest" (the A.V., "rest," is ambiguous), 5, 11; (b) in a general statement, applicable to God and man, 4:10.

A4. SABBATISMOS (4520), a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.

Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, 4:10, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into Divine rest, that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God.

3rdAngel · Oct 19, 2019

mailmandan said: ↑

Well folks, 3rdAngel is WRONG AGAIN! Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" is used no where else in the Bible! Amazing that Sabbatarians would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else!

A2. KATAPAUSIS (2663), in classical Greek, denotes a causing to cease or putting to rest; in the N.T., rest, repose; it is used (a) of God's rest, Acts 7:49; Heb. 3:11, 18; 4:1, 3 (twice), R.V. (1st part), "that rest" (the A.V., "rest," is ambiguous), 5, 11; (b) in a general statement, applicable to God and man, 4:10.

A4. SABBATISMOS (4520), a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.

Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, 4:10, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into Divine rest, that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God.
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Now Dan, just ignoring the scripture CONTEXT that defines God's REST in HEBREWS 4:1-9 does not make God's WORD disappear.

Please if you dissagree with what I have posted in the scriptures and GREEK word definitions and origins please address the post and scriptures provided. Cmon DAN, why are you cutting and pasting the same old responses tha you have tried to provide 2 years ago that do not even address what was posted to you?

At least I have made attempts to study this subject more deeply since we have last discussed it. So I am going to repost what you simply ignored because you did not address anything in the post you were responding to...

You are WRONG!

The "CONTEXT" of HEBREWS 4:9 is HEBREWS 4:1-9 that defines "GOD'S REST" as the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of "CREATION and HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4 is stating that no one enters "GOD'S REST" which is defined as the "SEVENTH DAY SABBATH AT CREATION" in HEBREWS 4:1-5 without first entering the "GOSPEL" rest of believing and following Gods WORD v2. This is the "CONTEXT" to HEBREWS 4:9

Now that we have established the "CONTEXT" of HEBREWS 4:9 and allowed God's WORD to define what is "GOD'S REST" lets continue...

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH (σαββατισμός sabbatismos).

or parrallel..

HEBREWS 4:9 [9],THERE REMAINS THEN A SABBATH REST (σαββατισμός sabbatismos) FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

Strong's Concordance
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration:sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: a sabbath rest
Usage: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4520: σαββατισμός
σαββατισμός, σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath);
1. a keeping sabbath.
2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians (R. V. sabbath rest): Hebrews 4:9. (Plutarch, de superstit. c. 3; ecclesiastical writings.)

(Source: Bible Hub linked)

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The translation for "Keeping Sabbath" comes from the Greek word that is used in Hebrews 4:9, σαββατισμός, pronounced sabbatismos, which is a noun form that means Sabbath rest, Sabbath (keeping) observance (Arndt and Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament).

This definition of the Greek word σαββατισμός sabbatismos is confirmed by other historical works: The words 'keeping sabbath' or sabbath rest is translated from the GK noun sabbatismos, [and is] a unique word in the NT.

This term appears also in Plutarch (Superset. 3 [Moralia 166a]) for sabbath observance or keeping, and in four post-canonical Christian writings which are not dependent on Heb. 4:9 (The Anchor Bible Dictionary, Vol. 5, p. 856).

The Greek word, σαββατισμός sabbatismos, is a noun. The verb form of the word is σαββατίζω sabbatizo, which means to keep the Sabbath (Arndt and Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament).

This definition of σαββατίζω Sabbatizo is confirmed by its use in the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Old Testament which dates from third century BC. It is called the Septuagint, meaning Seventy because the first five books were translated by seventy scholars who were Greek-speaking Jews in Alexandria, Egypt. Jews used the Septuagint in synagogues throughout the Roman empire, and by the Greek-speaking Jewish and Gentile coverts in the early New Testament church. The apostle Paul quotes extensively from the Septuagint in his epistle to the Hebrews. When Paul used the Greek word σαββατισμός sabbatismos in Hebrews 4:9, he knew that the meaning of this word was well known to the Greek-speaking believers of that day. The verb form σαββατίζω, sabbatizo was used in the Septuagint which was as familiar to the Greek-speaking Jews and Gentiles of New Testament times as the King James Bible is to Christians today.

The use of the verb σαββατίζω sabbatizo in Leviticus 23:32 in the Septuagint leaves no room to mistake its meaning. The Greek English Lexicon of the Septuagint defines σαββατίζω sabbatizo as to keep sabbath, to rest (Lust, Eynikel, Hauspie). The English translation of this verse in the Septuagint reads: It [the Day of Atonement] shall be a holy sabbath [literally, a Sabbath of Sabbaths] to you; and ye shall humble your souls, from the ninth day of the month: from evening to evening shall ye keep your sabbaths (The Septuagint With the Apocrypha, Brenton).

The phrase shall ye keep your sabbaths is translated from the Greek phrase σαββατιείτε τα σάββατα sabbatieite ta sabbata, which literally means, You shall sabbathize the Sabbaths. The form of the Greek verb σαββατίζω sabbatizo is the second person plural σαββατιείτε sabbatieite, which means, ye shall keep. Since the verb sabbathize, means to keep the Sabbath, this verb is a special verb that also relates to and defines Sabbath-keeping, for God’s command for the land Sabbath every seven years. In the entire Septuagint, the verb σαββατίζω sabbatizo is never used to define the keeping of anything else. Rather, it is always used in relation to Sabbath-keeping and Sabbath-keeping only. In keeping with this definition, the KJV translates σαββατιείτε sabbatieite, this way: shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

There is no question that the Greek verb σαββατίζω sabbatizo in Leviticus 23:32 is specifically referring to Sabbath observance. This meaning applies equally to the noun form σαββατισμός sabbatismos, which we find in Paul’s epistle to Hebrews. The fact that Paul used the Septuagint translation in this epistle confirms that the meaning word σαββατισμός sabbatismos, in Hebrews 4:9, is in complete accord with the meaning of σαββατιείτε τα σάββατα sabbatieite ta sabbata, in Leviticus 23:32. Clearly Paul is upholding the observance of the Sabbath, the seventh day of the week.

And there you have it. Clearly, the Sabbath is still very much valid today, and to say that we no longer have to keep it holy, because Jesus is our Sabbath rest, is dangerous and foolish and is simply not biblical as the only definition of God's 4th commandment "SABBATH" is "THE SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK" *Exodus 20:10; Matthew 12:8.

Sorry friend God's WORD disagrees with you. May you receive God's WORD and be blessed.

atpollard · Oct 19, 2019

3rdAngel said: ↑

Now lets get this straight and talk scripture. JESUS, JAMES, PETER, JOHN and all the new COVENANT teach that everyone of God's 10 commandments including God's 4th commandment give us the "KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 and if we break "ANY ONE OF THEM" we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.
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OK, let us “talk Scripture”.

You claim: “JESUS, JAMES, PETER, JOHN and all the new COVENANT teach that everyone of God's 10 commandments including God's 4th commandment give us the "KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS”

As proof, you offer the following scriptures:

[Rom 3:20 NASB] 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law [comes] the knowledge of sin.

[Rom 7:7 NASB] 7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."

[1Jo 3:4 NASB] 4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

[Psa 119:172 NASB] 172 Let my tongue sing of Your word, For all Your commandments are righteousness.

First, Psalm 119 was not written by Jesus, Psalm 119 was not written by James, Psalm 119 was not written by Peter and Psalm 119 was not written by John. Therefore, Psalm 119 proves NOTHING about your claim concerning what Jesus, James, Peter and John taught. It is a non sequitur and shall be ignored.

Second, NONE of those verses mention the 10 commandments, they just speak of “The Law”. The Law encompasses a great deal more than the 10 commandments. They claim that the Law teaches of sin, but they do not state that the Law teaches righteousness.

Third, nowhere in your chosen verses is the 4th Commandment specifically mentioned. One of the significant points raised over and over is the scripture that states Christians are NOT JUDGED over “Sabbaths” and the challenge to provide some indication that the “Sabbath Commandment” is applicable under the New Covenant. These verses have not provided that, in spite of your decision to emphasize the 4th Commandment in your statement claiming that these verses speak about ALL the COMMANDMENTS.

So let us examine these verses in their context and see what they do have to teach us ...

[Rom 3:19-20 NASB] 19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law [comes] the knowledge of sin.

The LAW (including the 10 Commandments) speak to those that are under the law. The Law does not speak to those who are not under the law. The LAW provides no righteousness or justification, rather the Law only provides knowledge of sin. The best you can achieve by obeying the Law is to be less of a sinner in the sight of a Holy God ... it will be small comfort that there are other people in hell with you that deserve it more than you do.

[Rom 3:21-26 NASB] 21 But now apart from the Law [the] righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even [the] righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; 25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. [This was] to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26 for the demonstration, [I say,] of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Righteousness is manifested APART FROM THE LAW, not through the Law. The paragraph immediately following your so called “proof text” directly refutes what you claim. You say that we are made righteous by obeying all 10 Commandments, but God’s Scripture says that we are condemned by the law and set free by grace and faith.

[Rom 3:21-26 NASB] 27 Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. 28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

Behold the conclusion, in direct contradiction to your statement. We are not saved (justified) by the Law and we are not saved (justified) by our works ... [like steadfastly obeying the 4th Commandment to remember the Sabbath] ... man is “justified by faith apart from works of the Law.” Your chosen text refutes your argument.

We could go on to study Romans 7 and 1 John 3, but we would just find more of the same. So I will stop here to give you a chance to correct your false teaching or provide an exegesis of Romans 3 that proves what you claim Romans 3 says (which it does not).

3rdAngel · Oct 19, 2019

OK up to 9 pages so far and not a single scripture that answers a single question in this OP?

Does anyone want to get back to the OP now?

The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

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Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

Look forward to your thoughts...

3rdAngel · Oct 19, 2019

atpollard said: ↑

OK, let us “talk Scripture”.

You claim: “JESUS, JAMES, PETER, JOHN and all the new COVENANT teach that everyone of God's 10 commandments including God's 4th commandment give us the "KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS”

As proof, you offer the following scriptures:

[Rom 3:20 NASB] 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law [comes] the knowledge of sin.

[Rom 7:7 NASB] 7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."

[1Jo 3:4 NASB] 4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

[Psa 119:172 NASB] 172 Let my tongue sing of Your word, For all Your commandments are righteousness.

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Actually no! You are mixed up. ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and PSALMS 119:172 show that God's 10 commandments give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken and define rightouesness when obeyed through faith.

Examples of JESUS and the Apostles teaching God's LAW (10 commandments) in the NEW TESTAMENT can be found here...

WHAT DID JESUS AND THE APOSTLES TEACH ABOUT GOD’S LAW
(the scriptures below are no where near exhaustive)

Jesus taught the 10 commandments…..

1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matt 5:17-18)
2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matt 22:36-40)
4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matt 15:3-9)
5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matt 5:19)
8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:7-11
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Rom 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Rom 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Rom 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Rom 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Rom 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Rom 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Rom 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Rom 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Rom 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Gal 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Rom 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Rom 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Rom 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Heb 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Heb 10:26-27)

John affirms the 10 commandments……

1. John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
2. If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
3. We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
4. Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
5. Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
6. If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
7. John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
8. If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
9. If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
10. It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
11. It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
12. God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Rev 14:12; 22:14)

James also affirms the 10 commandments…….

1. James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law (James 2:8)
2. If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law (James 2:9-11)
3. James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom (James 2:12)
4. The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment (James 2:12)
5. If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith (James 2:16-26)

Peter affirms the 10 commandments……..

1. Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law (1 Pet 1:2)
2. We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days (1 Pet 1:5)
3. We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy (1 Pet 1:13-16)
4. Jesus is your example who did no sin (1 Pet 2:21-22)
5. Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh (1 Pet 4:1-3)
6. Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved.
7. God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Pet 1:2-4)
8. The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Pet 2:6)
9. If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost (2 Pet 2:20-22)
10 God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God (2 Pet 3:5-14)

I have by God's GRACE and Spirit, studied this in detail brother before posting those earlier statements.

May you receive God's WORD and be blessed.

3rdAngel · Oct 19, 2019

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.

Walter · Oct 19, 2019

3rdAngel said: ↑

WRONG!
Hebrews 4:10 does not say JESUS is a SABBATH now does it? "HIS REST" is defined in HEBREWS 4:1-5 as the "SEVENTH DAY SABBATH" made from the foundation of the world than continues on to...HEBREWS 4:9 It remains therefore for the people of God to keep the Sabbath
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SDA: Must keep Sabbath but OK for our Adventist Hospitals and abortion mills to commit MURDER by performing elective abortions 7 days a week. FACT!!!

mailmandan · Oct 19, 2019

3rdAngel said: ↑

Now Dan, just ignoring the scripture CONTEXT that defines God's REST in HEBREWS 4:1-9 does not make God's WORD disappear.

Please if you dissagree with what I have posted in the scriptures and GREEK word definitions and origins please address the post and scriptures provided. Cmon DAN, why are you cutting and pasting the same old responses tha you have tried to provide 2 years ago that do not even address what was posted to you?

At least I have made attempts to study this subject more deeply since we have last discussed it. So I am going to repost what you simply ignored because you did not address anything in the post you were responding to...

You are WRONG!.
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Let me know when you are done twisting the Scriptures and the Greek and the commentaries and are ready to repent and believe the gospel so you too can find sabbatismos rest in Christ. Sadly, you have turned keeping the Sabbath day under the law into an idol and continue to pervert the gospel. BTW many of us are tired of your propaganda and you’re shady lawyer tactics.

3rdAngel · Oct 19, 2019

atpollard said: ↑

Second, NONE of those verses mention the 10 commandments, they just speak of “The Law”.
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The GREEK word used for LAW is a general term that can be used for the MOSIAC BOOK of the law or God's 10 Commandments or other laws. It is the within CHAPTER or SCRIPTURE "CONTEXT" that determines what laws are being discussed. For EXAMPLE JAMES 2:10-11 provides CONTEXT within scripture stating that if we break any one of God's 10 commandment stating thou shalt not commit adultery and thou shalt not kill as the context which is in refernce to God's 10 commandments we are transgressors of God's LAW (10 commandments is the context with adultery and killing being cited) and commit sin. This is the same with ROMANS 7:7 that defines the context of LAW and SIN by quoting "COVETING" which is God's 10 commandment. So the law being discussed here is God's 10 commandments. Paul is statnig in ROMANS 7:7 that we cannot know what sin is without God's LAW. This is also supported with ROMANS 3:20 "FOR THROUGH THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN" Chaptet "CONEXT" is all have sinned. All of the above scirpture define "SIN" as the breaking of any one of God's 10 commandments

May you receive God's WORD and be blessed.

3rdAngel · Oct 19, 2019

mailmandan said: ↑

Let me know when you are done twisting the Scriptures and the Greek and the commentaries and are ready to repent and believe the gospel so you too can find sabbatismos rest in Christ. Sadly, you have turned keeping the Sabbath day under the law into an idol and continue to pervert the gospel. BTW many of us are tired of your propaganda and you’re shady lawyer tactics.
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Dan sorry I am not interested in your accusations and name calling as it is not a fruit of the Spirit of God. If you have scriptures to share than share it. If you do not than receive God's WORD and be blessed. I do no judge you. God's WORD will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

3rdAngel · Oct 19, 2019

Walter said: ↑

SDA: Must keep Sabbath but OK for our Adventist Hospitals and abortion mills to commit MURDER by performing elective abortions 7 days a week. FACT!!!
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Spreading misinfomation and lies in order not to address the OP with scripture only shows your in error brother. May you receive God's WORD and be blessed. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

mailmandan · Oct 19, 2019

3rdAngel said: ↑

Dan sorry I am not interested in your accusations and name calling it is not a fruit of the Spirit of God. If you have scriptures to share than share it. If you do not than receive God's WORD and be blessed. I do no judge you. God's WORD will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.
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Twisting the Scriptures and perverting the gospel is absolutely NOT a fruit of the Spirit of God. I and others have already shared numerous scriptures with you but you just don’t have eyes to see.

37818 · Oct 19, 2019

@3rdAngel,
How do you (or anyone) know about God resting on the 7th day of the first earth week?

3rdAngel · Oct 19, 2019

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Third, nowhere in your chosen verses is the 4th Commandment specifically mentioned. One of the significant points raised over and over is the scripture that states Christians are NOT JUDGED over “Sabbaths” and the challenge to provide some indication that the “Sabbath Commandment” is applicable under the New Covenant. These verses have not provided that, in spite of your decision to emphasize the 4th Commandment in your statement claiming that these verses speak about ALL the COMMANDMENTS.
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They do not need to ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11 and 1 JOHN 3:4 are defining sin as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments as demonstrated earlier in both chapter and scripture context.

3rdAngel · Oct 19, 2019

mailmandan said: ↑

Twisting the Scriptures and perverting the gospel is absolutely NOT a fruit of the Spirit of God. I and others have already shared numerous scriptures with you but you just don’t have eyes to see.
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So that means no? You do not have any scripture to address any of the questions in the OP do you Dan? Does that not bother you? It seems that it does. If you have no scripture this OP should be a blessing to you but it seems you only interested in talking about scripture in order to follow man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God because you work on God's 4th commandment Sabbath which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 7:7.

God's Sheep hear His Voice and follow him. Those who are not God's Sheep do not hear and do not follow.

3rdAngel · Oct 19, 2019

37818 said: ↑

@3rdAngel,
How do you (or anyone) know about God resting on the 7th day of the first earth week?
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GENESIS 2:1-3

3rdAngel · Oct 19, 2019

atpollard said: ↑So let us examine these verses in their context and see what they do have to teach us ...

[Rom 3:19-20 NASB] 19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law [comes] the knowledge of sin.
The LAW (including the 10 Commandments) speak to those that are under the law. The Law does not speak to those who are not under the law. The LAW provides no righteousness or justification, rather the Law only provides knowledge of sin. The best you can achieve by obeying the Law is to be less of a sinner in the sight of a Holy God ... it will be small comfort that there are other people in hell with you that deserve it more than you do.[Rom 3:21-26 NASB] 21 But now apart from the Law [the] righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even [the] righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; 25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. [This was] to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26 for the demonstration, [I say,] of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Righteousness is manifested APART FROM THE LAW, not through the Law. The paragraph immediately following your so called “proof text” directly refutes what you claim. You say that we are made righteous by obeying all 10 Commandments, but God’s Scripture says that we are condemned by the law and set free by grace and faith.[Rom 3:21-26 NASB] 27 Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. 28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
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Nope! To be "UNDER THE LAW" is defined in ROMANS 3:19. It means to be guilty before GOD or breaking it... "so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become guilty before God ". No one is saying God's LAW provides rightouesness so the rest of your post which builds around this is not relevant. ROMANS 3:20 was only provided to show that through the LAW (10 commandments) is the knowledge of what sin is when we break them. As the scripture says in v20 "THROUGH THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN"

Hope this helps

3rdAngel · Oct 19, 2019

Soo? Everyone agree now? There is not a single scripture that addresses a single question in the OP? Then if we are to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith or not, who are we choosing to believe and follow; God's WORD or the teaching and traditions of men that break the commandments of God? Our God is calling us to come out from following man made traditions back to the pure Word of God. The hour is coming and now is that there will be one shepard and one fold. God is a Spirit and those whow worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth.

May you receive God's WORD and be blessed.

37818 · Oct 19, 2019

3rdAngel said: ↑

GENESIS 2:1-3
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Yes, and is written in Hebrew translated for us in English. Now where did the Hebrews get it? They, the Hebrews not being around at that time.

3rdAngel · Oct 19, 2019

37818 said: ↑

Yes, and is written in Hebrew translated for us in English. Now where did the Hebrews get it? They, the Hebrews not being around at that time.
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MOSES got it directly from God and it is God's WORD that tells us in GENESIS 2:1-3. Do you not believe God's WORD brother?

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