I Corinthians 1:7 shows that gifts continue

Balion


In I Corinthians 14:27-28, 'tongue' in the singular is obviously the genuine thing. A careful reading of the chapter shows that your argument that 'tongue' without the 's' is fake, and the 'tongues' with the 's' are genuine.

If it is not, then you should be arguing that fake tongues should be allowed in church, because Paul said to allow the 'tongue' singular with intepretation.

'Tongue' means 'language.' 'Tongues' means languages. That is what the words mean, and that makes the most sense in the passage.

Finally, did you get the idea that 'tongues' singular were bad from someone else, or did you just come up with that yourself. </font>[/QUOTE]if you are to ask me where I"got my idea" state it properly, as in do others believe as I. The answer is yes and I have provided a very indepth 3 part series in one of my earlier posts. I doubt most will read it, as there mind is already made up. I once believed as you because that is as I was tought. now I understand properly.

As per your comment on fake tongues should be allowed in the church (if they were bad), I believe you and I are obviously interpreting scripture differently. I believe he is telling them it needs to be interpreted for a reason, so they can see what they are actually saying. Paul even says that there are many kinds of languages and that ALL have a purpose. Then he says they are accomplishing nothing. Speaking to air. Again, as always, has to be read in context with unbiased beliefs and a mind open to the holy spirit.

 

You are a fool and are only interested in "fellowship" with people that interpret the gifts as you do, this way you have a reason to believe. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Man, Balion, don't you think you are being harsh and judgmental. I have seen a number of posts from SMM over the years, and he does not seem to be as you describe at all. His post was not even inflamatory and you accuse him like this?

What do you think of that verse in the sermon on the mount in Matthew where Jesus says that whoever says to his brother 'thou fool' shall be in danger of Hell fire? [/QB][/QUOTE]Odd. I found more than a few things he said with direct sarcasim and insinuations. Not to mention a harsh tone here and there. You are familiar of him for a while so I see why you come to his defense.
As for you "wondering" what I think about any scripture, I think it all the same, that it is God breathed.

And also that it should not be taken out of context. Surely we wont get into applying scripture everytime one dislikes a post, for that can go every which way.

It is my opinion tthat some on here think if they defend their belief vehemently, others will convert or go away.

 

Dearest Mike,

To be totally upfront with you, you make it nearly impossible for us to have "fellowship" with you when you ask the question whether or not we think modern speaking in tongues is of the devil and when we say YES then you play the martyr act and say we are accusing you of this and that..

You do this OFTEN. You do often to me.. you constantly claim I am "trying to force" you to keep the commandments, etc and so on. When all Im doing is stating my opinions just like everyone else.

So I can understand with no problem why the guy wonders if you are laying a trap.

 

I've been up since pretty early so I am not going to try to be cogent right now.

Kathryn's Ministry is the only one I've ever known of who took the time to have people interviewed who were claiming healing in her services.

All the rest seem to take the stance that you don't dare question God's Work.

To which I say... It sure didn't hurt Kathryn's Ministry. What are they afraid of?

SMM

 

"I did not see this list of thousands with verified proof. YES PROOF. Or are we not to test this ourselves?

Also, please do not ignore this here comment, but tell me, are there not many more? Should there not be many more? Are there not many, even in your own church? Surely if one gift is abundant, so then are the others? Or do you not personally know anyone with this miraculous gift? Surely this gift must be rampant in the church as well?"


SPIRITUALMADMAN- You did not reply to this. I am interested in your response.

 

Well good luck with that.

 

Proverbs 16-18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
19 Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.

Ballion, you are new here and perhaps do not know the rules. But I just want to remind you that it is not good to come off as "I know more than you", and putting the rest of us down who don't agree with you.

No need to get huffy about it.

We're all in this together.

Peace,

Tam

 

QUOTE]Originally posted by Hope of Glory:

Mostly, people ignore questions that have been answered time and time again.

Personally, I can look at Scriptures and see that the signs, wonders, and miracles performed through men were present up until a certain point, and then disappeared. Personally, I think it was some time between 59-64 AD, because up until that point, Paul had that power, and afterward, he could not even help his friend. But, no matter when they disappeared, we are told they would disappear, and they disappeared from Scripture.

Now, I grew up being taught that that which was "perfect" was the completion of the canon in 92 AD. However, what is being referred to as "perfect"? (Remember, the word that is translated as "perfect" means mature.) In Acts 28:28, the offer of the Kingdom (this salvation; the salvation of the soul) was taken from the Jews for the third and final time. This was the completion or the maturity (perfect) of the plan of the offer of the Kingdom to the Jews only. (Remember, the signs, wonders, and miracles have always been given with a view of the Jews in relation to the Kingdom, from the OT through the NT.)

This coincides with the time that the signs, wonders, and miracles performed through men disappeared from Scriptures. [/QUOTE]

It hasn't been answered. I asked for more scripture proof not just someones opinion. Give me some solid proof out of the Word of God on the gifts of the Spirit ceasing... before the return of the Jesus. I have read all verses and chapters that Briguy gave me on page 3 and there is nothing that holds water on the theroy and I also looked up the Greek and Hebrew text respectively to see where in the world one would even draw a 70 AD theory from it. Its not in those scriptures that I can find. My findings are on page 4 where I have quoted Briguys reply with the scriptures he provided. I would even read a sermon on this theroy if you got one just to understand the reasoning about it.

Sincerely,
Music4Him

 

Funny how you said no such thing to any other person. Yet to me as I have disagreed with you. I broke no rules and need no "reminder" from you. Thanks for your concern.

 

Music4Him here are three links that you can read. It doesn't have anything to do with the AD 70 theory (I'm not even sure what that is), but it will explain from the Bible why the "sign" gifts are no longer at hand. Not all Spiritual gifts have ceased, just the sign gifts.

http://lampbroadcast.org/plets/phtm4/SWM1.htm

http://lampbroadcast.org/plets/phtm4/SWM2.htm

http://lampbroadcast.org/plets/phtm4/SWM3.htm

 

I did, indeed, reply to your post letting you know that I would reply more thoroughly at a later date.

My schedule runs from before 0300 to around 2130 on average and quite frankly I was too dog tired to think clearly...

Badgering the witness will not improve my responses..

In fact in my eyes it indicates an unwillingmess to aloow for adequate research for a proper response...

Ie., you don't really want a proper response...

Therefore, good day sir...

SMM

For those interested in reading further...

This link was sent to me by a fellow believer...

http://www.redwhiteandblue.org/christian/plstexts/CHAOS2.HTM

 

Link, scroll up to my second pots on page 9. Yes, i did answer your point. You just need to read what I wrote.

 

I did, indeed, reply to your post letting you know that I would reply more thoroughly at a later date.

My schedule runs from before 0300 to around 2130 on average and quite frankly I was too dog tired to think clearly...

Badgering the witness will not improve my responses..

In fact in my eyes it indicates an unwillingmess to aloow for adequate research for a proper response...

Ie., you don't really want a proper response...

Therefore, good day sir...

SMM

For those interested in reading further...

This link was sent to me by a fellow believer...

http://www.redwhiteandblue.org/christian/plstexts/CHAOS2.HTM </font>[/QUOTE]I would not want to rush you pal. When you know, then you cn let me know.

 

The tongue issue is getting old.

First, if one reads all the verses in the Bible that speak of the unknown tongue (all in 1 Corinthians 14), one will be able to understand better what the tongue is.

The unknown tongue is only spoken to God, it is not to man(v2). It stands to reason that if the unknown tongue is spoken to God, then the interpretation should be talking to God as well.

Not one person who translates to English from Spanish will listen to the one speaking Spanish and interpret his words to mean something entirely different than what the Spanish speaker said.

We see that the unknown tongue edifies the one speaking the tongue only, not the full body of believers(v4).

We see that one that speaks in an unknown tongue should pray that he can interpret that which he has spoken.

We see when one prays in an unknown tongue, the spirit is what is praying, but the natural mind does not understand what is spoken. This prayer is not to be interpreted.

We see Paul would rather speak 5 words in a known language than a multitude of words in a tongue people do not understand.

We see that when a person talks in an unknown tongue, he is to do it by course. Just a few sentences, and then one is to interpret.

The very last verse of this chapter tells us that everything should be done decently and in order. Many of the 'tongue sessions' in churches around the world are not in order.