Sola Scripture? Part Two

True. SDAs view Ellen White much as we might view one of the prophets in 1Cor 14 who were said to give prophetic messages but who never wrote a word of Scripture.

The Word of God is STILL the SOLE judge of all doctrine - the standard for all faith and practice EVEN if you live in the church of Corinth and experience the 1Cor 14 gifts in that first century church!

(Can you tell that I would really like to keep this thread on topic?)

In Christ,

Bob

 

well you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

I didnt know that any doctrine that disagrees with yours was considered to be "propaganda".

I just always viewed it as Biblical.

sorry.

 

D28guy and BobRyan,

Thank you so much for being understanding... I appreciate it very much

Claudia

 

I think its somewhat unfair you accusing me of plagurizing and all the rest of it.

You coudlve just asked me.

The truth is that I had posted the very same articles by EJ Waggoner and AT Jones over and over again in here and given them credit and so I thought everyone already knew who wrote them.

But I was just trying to avoid trouble since a couple of the people on here kept starting in on me about supposedly me not wanting to debate and so on and so forth. I was just trying to avoid all the hassle of them starting in on me about it.

Besides that their work was written in the 1800s or maybe some of it in the 1900s.

If its that big a deal I wont post any more of their writings. I just like the way they explain Romans 7 and didnt think it mattered since everybody already knew who wrote it anyway since Id posted it so many times before with their names on it.

To me it seems like you all are just trying to find something to "get" me with and it wouldve been nice if you'd of just asked me about it all to begin with.

But thats fine, I wont post anything by them anymore since it seems like either way, Im sunk. If anyone else posts something by someone else it seems like its no big deal but if I do, its the end of the world and Im supposedly "going by what Pope Ellen White says". So if I say who wrote it (which everyone already knows who wrote it anyway) I get harrassed and if I dont say then I get harrassed anyway. and by the way Ellen Whites work isnt copyrighted either.

I just wish Id of been given the chance to explain myself before being accused.

so fine, I wont post any of it anymore.

thanks,

Claudia

[ May 09, 2006, 06:09 AM: Message edited by: Claudia_T ]

 

also, Im thinking that the reason you KNEW it was from my website at http://www.religiouscounterfeits.org/romans_chapter7.htm

was because I had posted the very same article in here over and over again, many times linking from my website at that address.. and giving credit to Wagoner and Jones for it


ya think???

sorry but its REALLY difficult for me not to think that you all just didnt like some of the things that Ive been saying and that you are just using this copyright thing to get back at me.

but that is just fine with me I will no longer post any of their materials.

Claudia

 

Read this

and if you will go look at this thread you will see just what I am talking about.

If I post an article from Jones or Waggoner they start in on me about being in a "cult" and everything else.

So I was just trying to avoid all of that for my sake and the sake of this message board as well.

I figure by now everyone knows who wrote the stuff since I have posted it before and given credit a jillion times. and it ISNT COPYRIGHTED.

so its really unfair of you to try to paint me out to be someone trying to "plagurize" someone elses work.

Its just difficult for me right now, very difficult. I am laid up most the time here in bed trying to type laying on my back and cant stay like that very long. Copying and pasting is easier for me.

Im bored out of my mind with nothing to do and just wanted some place where I could chat.


I had no idea people would make such a huge deal out of all of this and I am sorry. I repent in dust and ashes, etc... and I wont do it again.

Claudia

 

Claudia,

Is this the "feet" problem you mentioned in another post somewhere?

I didnt know you were having such substantial physical problems. I sure will pray for you, and I'm sure others here will as well.

In~His~Grace~

Mike

 

This is a thread on "sola scriptura". This thread above all others would be a good place not to quote any SDA sources to make the case FOR sola scriptura UNLESS someone is asking "Do SDAs believe in Sola Scriptura".

The entire "sola scriptura debate" could be framed as "do you simply listen to your own religious leaders/traditions/sayings or do you go to the Bible ALONE for doctrine".

That is a good place to argue from "the Bible alone".

In Christ,

Bob

 

My point has been that in every denomination - all are human all have sinful natures. The sinful nature "naturally" goes to other sources to man-made-tradition instead of "sola scriptura" to make a doctrinal point. It does not matter what church you belong to -

The example of the RCC is just an "institutionalized" version of that error.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Is this the "feet" problem you mentioned in another post somewhere?

I didnt know you were having such substantial physical problems. I sure will pray for you, and I'm sure others here will as well.

In~His~Grace~

Mike </font>[/QUOTE]Mike,

Yes its that same problem, I will just tell you a little about it here. And I'd be very happy if you'd pray for me, please.

I reinjured my foot from walking around for hours worrying about something. This time it didnt get better, but worse. Its gotten to where if I sit down at all in a chair, in the car, etc... my foot will turn purpleish and the pressure is so bad I cant stay there for more than a minute or two. I have to either lie down or walk and walking isnt easy.

It feels like when you were a kid and you'd hang upside down on the monkey bars and your head felt like it was going to explode so you had to climb down. It does that if I elevate my feet in the air when Im lying down too.

The only two things I can find so far that cause this are pinched nerves in the feet or a injured artery. The other foot started doing this exact same thing. And they have been doing all sorts of other weird things too I think maybe just because of lack of circulation.

So Ive had to lie down in bed alot. Alot of the time on my right side or left. If I lie on my back sometimes it turns purpleish.

anyway Im tyring to use this laptop computer and its new to me and a real pain. But as I said its really boring lying here not being able to go anywhere or do anything, and thus this is why Ive been on this message board so much lately.

Please pray for me, Id really appreciate it. Also, please pray for my mental state because sometimes I wonder if it will ever get better or if Im going to be like this the rest of my life which seems unbearable to me.

Actually yesterday I was able to drive down to the grocery store on my own and did good. So in some ways it has gotten better yet worse since the other foot is doing the same thing.

Plus since the doctor I had been seeing cant figure out whats wrong their solution was for me to do rehabilitation exercises and Im not sure thats the best idea if I have injured arteries.
So Im going back to my first doctor to try the cortisone shots in case its pinched nerves, and if it is it will be fixed. I just was afraid to get those at first since I didnt know what it was. But they did some nerve tests and didnt think it was that. I want to go ahead and have the shots just to rule that out since it might be my only hope.

Then Ive got all sorts of other problems too which is why I was pacing around the house worrying in the first place. But alot of good that did me, right? it just made things worse for me.

Claudia

 

Uh, that IS the very definition of it:
From Wiktionary:
propaganda
speech or writing advancing one's cause or ideas, or denouncing one's opponents.

That is exactly what that material is. (and of course, evetryone who does this under the premise of being Biblical thinks it's biblical).
Once again, sorry I coudn't think of a nicer sounding word, but it does fit the bill on all counts.

 

I could ask you the same question, dear ClaudiaT.

If you keep or believe the Sabbath for the same reason the Jews do - the Law and nothing but the Law; creation and nothing but creation - you're in actual fact 'against the Sabbath' for its only valid Christian reason ( the reason why the Church at large believes Sunday - by mistake ) namely, the resurrection of Jesus from the dead on it. As Karl Barth has said, what makes this day this peculiarly meaningful day (he, speaking of Sunday, of course; I, speaking of the Seventh Day Sabbath), is what happened on it an to it".
What happened, was Jesus' resurrection.

And what Bible study has shown me, was just this result - august and glorious - concerning the Sabbath of the Lord your God - NOT concerning Sunday!

 

Claudia,

We've had differences in interpretation and some pretty animated (though between us, amiable) discussions.

But pain is a booger to live with. Sorry that you've been dealing with it.

May God heal your foot, and give you peace of mind.

 

'We' - Christian believers - need to for no reason at all but the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. I find in the whole New Testament no reason besides why the Church kept the Sabbath Day - why the the NT has no word to say about it but this!

 

You are blind to the fact of which mention is being made here. Not a word to be read here about the resurrection. The ONLY Scripture describing the actual events that surrounded the resurrection is Matthew 28:1.

 

As to your last paragraph,

Absolutely so! But you, a covenantal believer, should realise the covenantal truth contained in all this: It is eschatological of Jesus Christ - and so became fulfilled and actuallised - one might truly say, 'legalised' - first and originally, in and through Christ, so that also the Seventh Day Sabbath only received its eschatological, prophetic, promised, covenantal meaning and essence and glory, first in Jesus Christ. And I can refer to you GREAT Calvinists who all so argue about the Sabbath - trying to justify the Sunday. Ironic, perplexing, astonishing, is all I can say.

 

Now you're starting to see the light, Claudia!

 

Unfortunately your Church teaches there is no 'symbolism' in the Sabbath. Bacchiocchi tried to deviate from this stance, but got so far as to some philotrophical semblance that could be discovered in the Fourth commandment. When I confronted him to go through with his arguments and apply the wholesome element to the resurrection, he scorned at me. Now I tell you that if not for the final and complete salvation-meaning found and given in the resurrection of Christ from the dead, then all the 'healing ministries' of Jesus specifically of the Sabbath Day, were of no avail and in themselves void of eschatological meaning.

 

I mean they normally went to Church on Sabbath, then "PRIVATELY put aside" - for future collection - their contributions; which would be collected in one sum when Paul would visit.