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  1. church mouse guy

    church mouse guy Well-Known Member
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    Uh, huh. Read his statement for yourself. He says that nature responds and that the virus is a response. It is actually an act of the Chinese government but Pope Francis has an agreement with the Chinese communists wherein they pick the RCC bishops for China, as you know. China before this catastrophe could give the Vatican a few million dollars here and there to help pay for these lavish synods. Pope Francis has a long history of saying that climate change is serious and that the USA and Trump are to blame above everyone else. He calls the pandemic nature's response:


    "We did not respond to the partial catastrophes. Who now speaks of the fires in Australia, or remembers that 18 months ago a boat could cross the North Pole because the glaciers had all melted? Who speaks now of the floods?" the Pope said.

    "I don't know if these are the revenge of nature, but they are certainly nature's responses," he added.

    No, it is not nature's response but the direct fault of the Chinese Communist Party for somehow releasing a manufactured virus from the Wuhan Lab.
     
  2. utilyan

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    We are and have been catholic since before the invention of capital letters. NO DIFFERENCE.
     
  3. utilyan

    utilyan Well-Known Member
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    "No, it is not nature's response but the direct fault of the Chinese Communist Party for somehow releasing a manufactured virus from the Wuhan Lab."

    Oh it was an attack..... declare war then. Or kneel before your Chinese overlords.
     
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    Yes, there is a difference. catholic (little c) refers to all Christians of the true faith. Catholic with a capital c means the Roman Catholic Church which is not the only one true church and is, in fact, a false church with false doctrine. Rome was not always this way, but the church went astray and now teaches a different Gospel and things outside of Scripture.
     
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    There are two views. The false view of salvation, (Matthew 7:21-23) faith plus works equals salvation. Then there is the Biblical view for salvation, God's grace plus faith without works equals salvation which should be followed by works.

    The fruit is what God's Spirit gives those whom God has saved. Galatians 5:22.
    1 John 5:1, ". . . Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. . . ."
     
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  6. utilyan

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    Have fun with your fantasy. We are catholic.


    "Rome was not always this way, but the church went astray and now teaches a different Gospel and things outside of Scripture."
    Show scripture that says it went astray.

    Show history slap a date down when it went astray.


    The only time the church went astray is 1500 years later when your masters showed up.
     
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    Not everyone in the RCC is catholic, just as not everyone in a Baptist Church is catholic.

    Who then is catholic? The answer, according to God, is the elect.

    Romans 8:29-39 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? As it is written, “For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.” No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Christianity 101
     
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    Well for one, you teach Mary as sinless, you pray to Mary, etc etc. Don't need a date. Just know that Rome, currently, does not follow Scripture. Rather, it follows its own made up religion.
     
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    Umm ... so the Great Schism between Rome and Constantinople was a completely “catholic” rejection of the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome as “pope” (father) over the Church of Christ on Earth?
     
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    No argument from me. My original statement was ...

    From which you chose to quote only ...
    ... and respond with “FALSE.

    Thus I felt compelled to defend my statement by quoting James ...

    What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for [their] body, what use is that? Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, [being] by itself. [James 2:14-17 NASB] ​

    Confirming my original statement (which you chose to ignore) ... “The issue is not the existence of good works (obedience), everyone believes that the saved obey God, but the salvific function of those works”.
     
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    Are you aware that their actual belief is more subtle and nuanced than that “sledgehammer” misrepresentation?

    I still disagree with their belief, but one should at least disagree with what they actually believe rather than the strawman of what they believe.
     
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    Explain
     
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    Neither, as Rome holds that sincere believers in other faiths, such as Judaism and Islam, will get saved by Goid, as they "worship same God", its just those like me who know and reject Catholic theology will not be!
     
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    The saved ones, who should leave that church NOW!
     
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    Am I being a bully, for pointing out that Rome teaches false doctrines and a false Gospel ?
     
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    I am "catholic" and in all official statements we are referred to as catholic.

    I
     
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    Kinda hard to convince me God is a NAZI. Have fun trying. :D
     
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    The only quote you needed was, ". . .if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?" The answer of couse is 'no.' Now what I called false was, "James claims that works are required for salvation." That was not and is not James' argument. Do you not see the diference?
     
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    Technically under your incredible theology, YOU cannot convince anyone or cause their salvation. After talking to you they cannot cause their salvation. It is 100% dependent only on God.

    The problem here is YOU DON'T believe the bologna your trying to shove on us. Cause if you did you would be praying to GOD to fix our totally depraved brain that doesn't care about God. SEE.

    Guys if God is going to regenerate you "ELECT" folks maybe have him regenerate your COMMON SENSE first?
     
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    James 2
    20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
     
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