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[church mouse guy]

So just for the record, he never actually blames the pandemic on climate change / global warming, but surely he must have meant it.

Classic fake news. Do you work for CNN by any chance?

Uh, huh. Read his statement for yourself. He says that nature responds and that the virus is a response. It is actually an act of the Chinese government but Pope Francis has an agreement with the Chinese communists wherein they pick the RCC bishops for China, as you know. China before this catastrophe could give the Vatican a few million dollars here and there to help pay for these lavish synods. Pope Francis has a long history of saying that climate change is serious and that the USA and Trump are to blame above everyone else. He calls the pandemic nature's response:


"We did not respond to the partial catastrophes. Who now speaks of the fires in Australia, or remembers that 18 months ago a boat could cross the North Pole because the glaciers had all melted? Who speaks now of the floods?" the Pope said.

"I don't know if these are the revenge of nature, but they are certainly nature's responses," he added.

No, it is not nature's response but the direct fault of the Chinese Communist Party for somehow releasing a manufactured virus from the Wuhan Lab.

 

[utilyan]

Let me correct you. They are not "Catholic" they are "catholic" there is a difference.

We are and have been catholic since before the invention of capital letters. NO DIFFERENCE.

 

[utilyan]

Uh, huh. Read his statement for yourself. He says that nature responds and that the virus is a response. It is actually an act of the Chinese government but Pope Francis has an agreement with the Chinese communists wherein they pick the RCC bishops for China, as you know. China before this catastrophe could give the Vatican a few million dollars here and there to help pay for these lavish synods. Pope Francis has a long history of saying that climate change is serious and that the USA and Trump are to blame above everyone else. He calls the pandemic nature's response:


"We did not respond to the partial catastrophes. Who now speaks of the fires in Australia, or remembers that 18 months ago a boat could cross the North Pole because the glaciers had all melted? Who speaks now of the floods?" the Pope said.

"I don't know if these are the revenge of nature, but they are certainly nature's responses," he added.

No, it is not nature's response but the direct fault of the Chinese Communist Party for somehow releasing a manufactured virus from the Wuhan Lab.

"No, it is not nature's response but the direct fault of the Chinese Communist Party for somehow releasing a manufactured virus from the Wuhan Lab."

Oh it was an attack..... declare war then. Or kneel before your Chinese overlords.

 

[Reformed1689]

We are and have been catholic since before the invention of capital letters. NO DIFFERENCE.

Yes, there is a difference. catholic (little c) refers to all Christians of the true faith. Catholic with a capital c means the Roman Catholic Church which is not the only one true church and is, in fact, a false church with false doctrine. Rome was not always this way, but the church went astray and now teaches a different Gospel and things outside of Scripture.

 

[37818]

Any theology that proposes a salvation completely devoid of works is contradicted by the Word of God:

• What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for [their] body, what use is that? Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, [being] by itself. [James 2:14-17 NASB]
  
• For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. [Ephesians 2:8-10 NASB]
  
• "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater [works] than these he will do; because I go to the Father.” [John 14:12 NASB]
  
• "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every [branch] that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. "You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. "Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither [can] you unless you abide in Me. "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. "If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. "My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and [so] prove to be My disciples. "Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; abide in My love. "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. "These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and [that] your joy may be made full. "This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. [John 15:1-12 NASB]
  
• "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 'For I was hungry, and you gave Me [something] to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me [something] to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.' "Then the righteous will answer Him, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You [something] to drink? 'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 'When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' "The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, [even] the least [of them,] you did it to Me.' [Matthew 25:34-40 NASB]

There are two views. The false view of salvation, (Matthew 7:21-23) faith plus works equals salvation. Then there is the Biblical view for salvation, God's grace plus faith without works equals salvation which should be followed by works.

The fruit is what God's Spirit gives those whom God has saved. Galatians 5:22.
1 John 5:1, ". . . Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. . . ."

 

[utilyan]

Yes, there is a difference. catholic (little c) refers to all Christians of the true faith. Catholic with a capital c means the Roman Catholic Church which is not the only one true church and is, in fact, a false church with false doctrine. Rome was not always this way, but the church went astray and now teaches a different Gospel and things outside of Scripture.

Have fun with your fantasy. We are catholic.


"Rome was not always this way, but the church went astray and now teaches a different Gospel and things outside of Scripture."
Show scripture that says it went astray.

Show history slap a date down when it went astray.


The only time the church went astray is 1500 years later when your masters showed up.

 

[AustinC]

Have fun with your fantasy. We are catholic.


"Rome was not always this way, but the church went astray and now teaches a different Gospel and things outside of Scripture."
Show scripture that says it went astray.

Show history slap a date down when it went astray.


The only time the church went astray is 1500 years later when your masters showed up.

Not everyone in the RCC is catholic, just as not everyone in a Baptist Church is catholic.

Who then is catholic? The answer, according to God, is the elect.

Romans 8:29-39 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? As it is written, “For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.” No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Christianity 101

 

[Reformed1689]

Have fun with your fantasy. We are catholic.


"Rome was not always this way, but the church went astray and now teaches a different Gospel and things outside of Scripture."
Show scripture that says it went astray.

Show history slap a date down when it went astray.


The only time the church went astray is 1500 years later when your masters showed up.

Well for one, you teach Mary as sinless, you pray to Mary, etc etc. Don't need a date. Just know that Rome, currently, does not follow Scripture. Rather, it follows its own made up religion.

 

[atpollard]

The only time the church went astray is 1500 years later when your masters showed up.

Umm ... so the Great Schism between Rome and Constantinople was a completely “catholic” rejection of the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome as “pope” (father) over the Church of Christ on Earth?

 

[atpollard]

There are two views. The false view of salvation, (Matthew 7:21-23) faith plus works equals salvation. Then there is the Biblical view for salvation, God's grace plus faith without works equals salvation which should be followed by works.

No argument from me. My original statement was ...

James claims that works are required for salvation. The issue is not the existence of good works (obedience), everyone believes that the saved obey God, but the salvific function of those works ... which is for GOD to decide, not man.

From which you chose to quote only ...

James claims that works are required for salvation.

... and respond with “FALSE.”

Thus I felt compelled to defend my statement by quoting James ...

What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for [their] body, what use is that? Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, [being] by itself. [James 2:14-17 NASB]​

Confirming my original statement (which you chose to ignore) ... “The issue is not the existence of good works (obedience), everyone believes that the saved obey God, but the salvific function of those works”.

 

[atpollard]

Oh don't even get me started on the false doctrine of the Eucharist that sacrifices Christ each time....

Are you aware that their actual belief is more subtle and nuanced than that “sledgehammer” misrepresentation?

I still disagree with their belief, but one should at least disagree with what they actually believe rather than the strawman of what they believe.

 

[Reformed1689]

Are you aware that their actual belief is more subtle and nuanced than that “sledgehammer” misrepresentation?

I still disagree with their belief, but one should at least disagree with what they actually believe rather than the strawman of what they believe.

Explain

 

[Yeshua1]

Make up your mind folks. Are Catholics universalists or do they believe heaven is reserved only for Catholics???

Neither, as Rome holds that sincere believers in other faiths, such as Judaism and Islam, will get saved by Goid, as they "worship same God", its just those like me who know and reject Catholic theology will not be!

 

[Yeshua1]

Do you consider Catholics to be Christians?

The saved ones, who should leave that church NOW!

 

[Yeshua1]

I'm not "concerned" that you point anything out.

And since you don't seem to understand the point of my post, I'm beginning to view you as a bully, which makes me pity you.

Am I being a bully, for pointing out that Rome teaches false doctrines and a false Gospel ?

 

[utilyan]

Not everyone in the RCC is catholic, just as not everyone in a Baptist Church is catholic.

Who then is catholic? The answer, according to God, is the elect.

Romans 8:29-39 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? As it is written, “For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.” No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Christianity 101

I am "catholic" and in all official statements we are referred to as catholic.

I

 

[utilyan]

Am I being a bully, for pointing out that Rome teaches false doctrines and a false Gospel ?

Kinda hard to convince me God is a NAZI. Have fun trying.

 

[37818]

No argument from me. My original statement was ...



From which you chose to quote only ...

... and respond with “FALSE.”

Thus I felt compelled to defend my statement by quoting James ...

What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for [their] body, what use is that? Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, [being] by itself. [James 2:14-17 NASB]​

Confirming my original statement (which you chose to ignore) ... “The issue is not the existence of good works (obedience), everyone believes that the saved obey God, but the salvific function of those works”.

The only quote you needed was, ". . .if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?" The answer of couse is 'no.' Now what I called false was, "James claims that works are required for salvation." That was not and is not James' argument. Do you not see the diference?

 

[utilyan]

The saved ones, who should leave that church NOW!

Technically under your incredible theology, YOU cannot convince anyone or cause their salvation. After talking to you they cannot cause their salvation. It is 100% dependent only on God.

The problem here is YOU DON'T believe the bologna your trying to shove on us. Cause if you did you would be praying to GOD to fix our totally depraved brain that doesn't care about God. SEE.

Guys if God is going to regenerate you "ELECT" folks maybe have him regenerate your COMMON SENSE first?

 

[utilyan]

The only quote you needed was, ". . .if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?" The answer of couse is 'no.' Now what I called false was, "James claims that works are required for salvation." That was not and is not James' argument. Do you not see the diference?

James 2
20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?