Featured Biblical Penal Substitution

God's wrath is poured out on the UNRIGHTEOUS, UNBELIEVING, UNHOLY. How many of those words describe our Lord? Think about it.

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I think maybe you and others have never contemplated the severity, the gravity of a Completely righteous person physically dying and being heinously mistreated and beaten and hung on a criminal's cross. And then think about the fact He's God and His own creation did this to Him. Let that sink in. God's wrath is not poured out on the perfectly obedient One. His obedience brought us salvation--Romans 5. That is the context. By one man's obedience, many are made righteous. It does not say because the wrath of God was poured out on Christ, many are made righteous. No, in fact, it says that We are saved from the WRATH TO COME because of His righteous deed. We inherit his righteousness, which is why we will not see the wrath of God.

 

That seems pretty much like Aulen's theory (not that I'm an expert!). Obviously, there's much there with which I can agree, just as I can agree with portions of 'Moral Influence' (Romans 12:1) and 'Ransom' (1 Timothy 2:6 etc.). Ephesians 4::8-10 and Colossians 2:15 come to mind. But when you say that ;He was crushed under the powers of sin and death (the powers of this world's). But He was resurrected and rose victorious. We are saved in Him,' the statements are true, but the last part's a non sequitur. Why is 'our hope...in the resurrection'? It is, but C.V doesn't explain how or why.

Above all, it doesn't explain how God can be 'Just and the justifier of the one who believes in Jesus.'

Satan is presented as the accuser of the brethren. '.....The accuser of our brethren who accused them before our God day and night.....' (Revelation 12:10).
So here is the vital thing that Christ has achieved for us on the cross. '.....That through death He might destroy Him who had the power of death, that is, the devil' (Hebrews 2:14; cf. 1 John 3:8 etc.) . Here I quote from Henri Blocher's Agnus Victor: 'How is Satan's role as the Accuser related to his power? If Satan's opposition to the Lord were a matter of mere power, the rebel's finite resources would equal zero confronted with infinity. But the accuser can appeal to justice. He may also indulge in slander, but his force resides in the rightness of his accusation. Joshua is unclean; unspeakably unclean.......[Zechariah 3:1-3]. The righteous Judge of all the earth, who can only do right, cannot refuse to hear the charges the Accuser brings without denying Himself. In other words, the weapon in the devil's hand is God's own law - hence the association in some passages of the law and inimical powers which Aulen was not able to read aright.'

Satan appeals to God's justice, calling on Him to punish humanity as we deserve. That is why He is called 'the adversary' and 'the accuser of the brethren.'. Consequently, the defeat of the devil must involve the removal of our guilt, and that is the way that the N.T. presents it. That is why Colossians 2:14-15 presents to us Christ's triumph on the cross to the cancellation of the bond of our debt by His substitutionary death upon the cross. Then all the principalities and powers, chief of whom was Satan, were 'disarmed.' They have nothing of which to accuse Christians because Christ has paid the penalty in full. So the ransom paid by Christ to free us from the grasp of Satan was paid to God's justice. Now the ransom has been paid, 'There is now therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.' 'Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies; who is he who condemns?' Not Satan any more! He is cast down because Christ on the cross has satisfied divine justice. Now God can be 'just and the justifier of the one who believes in Jesus.'

Colossians 2:14-15 connects our Lord's triumph to the cross and precisely to the cancellation of the bond of our debt (as defined by the ordinances of the law) when Jesus was crucified. At that very time, the principalities and powers, chief of whom is Satan, 'disarmed.' the action has to do with the law and its demands { 'the handwriting of requirements). The cancellation of the bond is obtained through the payment of the legal debt. This is the meaning of the various 'ransom' sayings; the life, sufferings and death of the Saviour were the price paid to free human beings from bondage..

'Revelation 12 reflects the same understanding. How have the brothers overcome the devil and his host? Not by superior power, but by the blood of the Lamb (v.11). Satan was the accuser, and he prevailed as long as he could point to their sins. But the blood of the Lamb was the price paid for the cancellation of their debt. It wiped out the guilt of their sins forever, and the devil was disarmed.' [Ibid. Henri Blocher]..

 

wrath of God is very real in scriptures, as someone has to pay for that cup/bowl of judgement for and against sins!

 

Jesus when he bacame the great sin bearer was at that time treated as if he were all of those by the father!

 

That ss the grand paradox, as Jesus never ceased to be Holy and fully God, but as the sin bearer, he who knew no sin became sin for our sakes!

 

if not on jesus, where it it go?

 

No, but that when he was doing just that upon the Cross, he experienced exactly what lost sinners will when judged for their sins by God!

 

Heresy bro--Christ was treated by His creation as He was a criminal.

Isaiah 53
yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted.

1 John 3:8
The one who commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God was revealed for this purpose: to destroy the devil’s works.

 

Scriptures state that he was forsaken by God the father, so NOT heresy....

 

Question: If Christ died in our place, why do we still die physically?

 

You take one verse and one quote out of context and you twist it to say He was forsaken of the Father. The entire testimony of Scripture is that the Son is completely obedient to the Father and the Father completely delights in the Son, never forsaking Him.

 

Most Greek prepositions have a very large semantic range. It is the context that decides the meaning.

 

My guess would be is because; the dispensation of the fulness of the times, is still future.

 

2 Corinthians 5:20-21 Commentary | Precept Austin

All the answers are contained in this link.....

Sin is going to be punished in the sinner or the substitute.

Spiritual death happened at the Fall.

Unsaved people will be raised from the dead as well as the saved.

Unsaved remain eternally punished in the realm of death.

Open the link, particularly on vs 21.
I wi open it later.

 

In very simple terms, I would say that Jesus is our covenantal sacrifice. By his atonement at Calvary the New Covenant was established. God now recognizes everyone for whom the covenant was made as being holy, just as Jesus is holy.
The covenantal sacrifice was finished and accepted by God on my behalf. In essence, God the Father passed through the slain sacrifice of God the Son and made a covenant with those whom He had chosen before the creation of the world. God swore by Himself to keep that covenant with me. I cannot break that covenant which God has sworn to me.
I have no idea where that view lies in all these theories, but that is the view I take based upon reading scripture.

 

Bro, that's a great resource, but the text itself if very clear. And so is the testimony of Scripture. Christ did not become "sin" for us--really, though, what does that even mean?

Also, Look at the testimony of all of Scripture--even men that were "righteous" in whatever form were always afflicted by the accuser of the brethren and the unrighteous.

Able
Job
Isaac
Joseph
And then Look at Hebrews 11--People were sawed in two, tortured, imprisoned, etc.
And of Course, the Lord of Glory, King Jesus.

And the Scripture is clear that God will vindicate the righteous.

Did God vindicate His Son? That must mean a righteous man was unjustly treated by the unrighteous.

Isaiah 52 (bad chapter break here) declares that the obedient Servant will do the will of God.
13 Behold,
he shall be high and lifted up,
and shall be exalted.

Through His obedience of being unjustly treated by people--not the Father. The Father "used this evil for good", just like He did with Joseph.

1 Peter 2 should tell us much about this....

Who rejected Christ? His Father? NO! the builders! 1 Peter 2:7
21 For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps. 22 He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth. 23 When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten, but continued entrusting himself to him who judges justly. 24 He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed. 25 For you were straying like sheep, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.

What's the context in which Peter writes this? Suffering unjustly.

19 For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly. 20 For what credit is it if, when you sin and are beaten for it, you endure? But if when you do good and suffer for it you endure, this is a gracious thing in the sight of God.

And then Peter gives Christ as the example of Suffering UNJUSTLY.

And in all of this, of course there are other things going on that DO coincide with PSA, none however, is the Father pouring out His wrath on Christ.

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.

Once again--He suffered, not penalized, at the hands of the unrighteous--look at context of 1 Peter 3
17 For it is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.

Hebrews 9:26
Otherwise, He would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

Hebrews 9:28
so also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him.


Hebrews 10:10
And by that will, we have been sanctified through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Acts 3
13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus. You handed Him over and rejected Him before Pilate, even though he had decided to release Him. 14You rejected the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you. 15You killed the Author of life, but God raised Him from the dead, and we are witnesses of the fact.…