SABBATH POLL REDUX

D.L.Moody had a good answer for that bit eisegesis -- he calls it "bunk".

The point is that "God" is the one who determines HOW His own Holy Day is to be kept. IF we could leave it all up to the whims and "feelings" of man-made-tradition then YES - "we all keep everyday".

But "as it is" it is "obvious" that we do not ALL do as God said to do ON HIS Holy Day - which is to CEASE from all commercial forms of business - set aside our daily work and focus on a complete day of worhsip with God IN ADDITION to our DAILY walk with God - our DAILY times of worship - our DAILY taking up our Cross and following Him - our DAILY walking in faith before the Lord - filled with the Spirit "Christ IN YOU the hope of glory".

God is the one that sets this standard - not man, not simply "feelings".

In Christ,

Bob

 

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Mr. Gladstone recently told a friend that the secret of his long life is that amid all the pressure of public cares he never forgot the Sabbath, with its rest for the body and the soul.
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When I was a boy, the Sabbath lasted from sundown on Saturday to sundown on Sunday,
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Make the Sabbath a day of religious activity. First of all, of course, is attendance at public worship. "There is a discrepancy," says John McNeill, "between our creed about the Sabbath day and our actual conduct. In many families, at ten o'clock on the Sabbath, attendance at church is still an open question. There is no open question on Monday morning- 'John, will you go to work today.'"

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Someone has said that without the Sabbath, the Church of Christ could not, as a visible organization, exist on earth.
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Parents, if you want your children to grow up and honor you, have them honor the Sabbath day.

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SABBATH DESECRATION
Men seem to think they have a right to change the holy day into a holiday. The young have more temptations to break the Sabbath than we had forty years ago.
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PUNISHMENT OR BLESSING?
No nation has ever prospered that has trampled the Sabbath in the dust. Show me a nation that has done this and I will show you a nation that has got in it the seeds of ruin and decay. I believe that Sabbath desecration will carry a nation down quicker than anything else. Adam brought marriage and the Sabbath with him out of Eden, and neither can be disregarded without suffering. When the children of Israel went into the Promised Land, God told them to let their land rest every seven years, and He would give them as much in six years as in seven. For four hundred and ninety years they disregarded that law. But mark you, Nebuchadnezzar came and took them off into Babylon, and kept them seventy years in captivity, and the land had its seventy sabbaths of rest. Seven times seventy is four hundred and ninety. So they did not gain much by breaking this law. You can give God His day, or He will take it.

On the other hand, honoring the fourth commandment brings blessing:
"If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on My holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it." (Isaiah 58:13-14)
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? Hasn't the time come to call a halt if men want power with God? Let men call you narrow and bigoted, but be man enough to stand by God's law, and you will have power and blessing. That is the kind of Christianity we want just now in this country. Any man can go with the crowd, but we want men who will go against the current.

Sabbath-breaker, are you ready to step into the scales?
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It is true that GOD had the TEN placed IN the ark and the rest of God's Word - at the time - "The Books of Moses" placed OUTSIDE the ark. But that does not mean that "God's Word was worthless" as you have supposed.

The RULE is "God's Word STANDS!"..

This is pretty harsh for those who have already leaped off the cliff of "ABOLISH any part of God's Word that does not please you if it is in the OT - including the ENTIRE OT if you please".

In Christ,

Bob

 

BTW - how 'bout that D.L.Moody?

 

Romans 14:5-6; Colossians 2:16... all the answer needed.

 

which are the original seven?

the old covenant is not over. please provide scripture.

 

Well, at least the vast majority believes in keeping the Law of Commandments and so do I.

 

I Corinthians 11:25-- In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2 Corinthians 3:6-- who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life

Hebrews 8:7-- For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second

Hebrews 8:13--When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

 

please refresh my mind.

law of commandments: is that the ten commandments?

law of liberty: what is that again?

i can't believe i just had a mind block...

 

TEN COMMANDMENTS

Ten Commandments

 

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TEN COMMANDMENTS

Ten Commandments

 

Sorry! Double post.
Ed

[ May 12, 2006, 02:33 AM: Message edited by: EdSutton ]

 

Amen! I recall one time when I was baling hay for a neighbor, for another neighbor who had been seriously injured in an accident, and after church services, I proceeded to, after grabbing a sandwich, the hayfield, and baled all afternoon to beat an upcoming storm, stopping long enough only to attend evening services, and proceeding immediately after the evening services back to the hayfield, and baled till almost midnight, and finished up managing to beat the storm which happened around daybreak the following morning.
Another close friend whom I related this to a couple of days later remarked that she would not have thought I would do that "On Sunday??".
And what was I doing? I responded "Esteeming every day alike!" She happened to also be a regular member of our local church, and I remarked that I did not notice her at any service, and I was in both for a total of about four hours. Where was she?

Ed

 

Rom 14 "ONE man observes one day ABOVE another while another OBSERVES every day".

The one who OBSERVES one of the ceremonial Sabbaths in Lev 23 ABOVE another was the stronger one (if we contrast this order with the same order given for meats - vs vegetables-only in the previous Rom 14 example).

But the text never says "OBSERVES everday ALIKE". The term "ALIKE" is inserted!

In Christ,

Bob

 

James 2 quotes from the Ten Commandments calling them "The Law of Liberty".

He quotes from Lev 18 and Deut 6 calling those laws "The Royal Law".

Kind of neat!

In Christ,

Bob

 

Is that supposed to be a "quote of me"??

What about Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as youself".

DID "I" supposedly say "you don't need to keep that Law any more - just the Ten Commandments".

What about Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart".

DID "I" supposedly say "you don't need to keep that Law any more - just the Ten Commandments".

You need to accurately state the opposing view and then make a logical case opposing it - making stuff up wont suffice.

In Christ,

Bob </font>[/QUOTE]Yeah, you all basically handpick which ones outside the Ten you still keep. But whenever asked about the ones you don't keep (sacrifices, etc) SDA's come up with this division between "the ones that were in the ark, and the rest, called 'the book of the Law'". Now, I'm not making this up, because both of you have said this. </font>[/QUOTE]Eric,

Jesus Himself said which commandments we are still supposed to keep:

Mk:10:17: And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
18: And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
19: Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

Jesus didnt mention the ceremonial laws there because they werent in force anymore.


Jms:2:8: If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well

Romans 13:
8: Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9: For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


Seventh Day Adventists know that the ceremonial laws are no longer in force, because Jesus, whom they pointed to, has already come.

Claudia

 

The ceremonial laws "Were" in full force in Matt 10.