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In that case, you should take much greater care in your words. Even so, not all of those events can be relegated to the moments following conversion.

Here is but one example: Your discussion of "adoption" has been flawed from the beginning. The word is used five times in the New Testament. Your discussion focuses on Romans 8:23 (and later Romans 8:15). The entirety of Romans 8:23 is important to quote: And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. (Romans 8:23 ESV)

Notice that Paul immediately describes what he means by "adoption as sons;" he describes it as "the redemption of our bodies." What is more, "adoption" in v. 23 is a variant, and as such does not appear in some manuscripts.

Your argument in Romans 8:15 fails because you don't understand that Paul is using "Spirit of adoption" in apposition to "spirit of slavery." Because he juxtaposes these two phrases, the meaning of Spirit of adoption is given not by a lexicon, but by Paul's usage. (To insist on a lexical definition while ignoring usages is to commit what is called the "Lexical fallacy"). What is more, as Paul continues He clearly states that the Spirit of adoption is what makes us children of God.

In v. 15, the verb "received" is Aorist, while the verbs in v. 16 are Present. So, because we have (in the past) received the Spirit of adoption, we are now (in the present) children of God--and to this the Spirit (presently) bears witness.

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Nope. Again, the Aorist tense does not allow for this. Also, the compound word "Foreknew" contains the prefix προ which is coupled with γινωσκω. Had Paul wished to express what you are saying, he would have used only γινωσκω, not προγινωσκω.

Furthermore, God tells Jeremiah "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." In your argument, Jeremiah could not be known by God in the womb because he did not yet know God. So, your argument fails.

Nope. Again, the Aorist tense does not allow for this. "Predestined" is not showing future here.

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Nope. Again, the Aorist tense does not allow for this. While "Glorified" is obviously looking toward the future, Paul's use of the Aorist means that God considered the chosen to be "glorified" in the past and will see to it that it happens.

The Archangel

 

T you need to visit this place some more!

 

Faith is not a work unless you make it a condition you must meet in order to save yourself. It is not real faith but forcing your mind to believe thinking God will then owe you salvation.

 

Jesus says whoever beliefs is saved. Not after they choose to believe.

 

The Church is Israel. Not unbelievers.

 

The Israel of God is part of the Church. The whole church is not Israel but does share with Israel in Israel's New Covenant.

 

What do you mean by "us?" Do you have a clone on this site?

 

Why do you neglect the verses that precede this?
Romans 8:14-15 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”

This is not future tense, as you are desperately attempting to claim when you only quote one verse on adoption while ignoring all others. Scripture interprets scripture. Therefore, your interpretation is incorrect. How do we know? Because the other passages on adoption correct you and show you to be wrong.
Ephesians 1:3-14 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

All present tense.
Face it, you are wrong.