Pentecost

37818 said:

About what?

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Being 'Rome' is ignorant.

So be it.

Passages have One Divine Interpretation.

Yours is not it, if you consider pasteing verses as 'interpretation'.

I am familiar with Rome and her harlot daughters misinterpretation more than you are.

It cost 50 million Baptist-type members of The Kind of churches that Jesus Built to be tortured and killed.

That is not a smart, God-Led, reading.

It is Satanic.

Who cares? Are you on your face asking God or is that not needed because you know?

So did Calvin.

God Knows who He Calls to serve Him and who do not care enough to think they aren't an expert, because they think they can read without Him.

The Bible Doctrine of Church Truth, which is the subject of 100s of books, has left you holding hands with a supernatural evil being that has NO Bible Teaching to show, on the subject.

There are not two kinds of baptisms or two kinds of bodies, unless you believe Satan, instead of God.

Just assumed misreading of verses containing subjects upon which Billions are willfully ignorant and have been willing to religiously murder God's Faithful Bible followers over.

That is ignorant enough, without bragging about it.

Rome is Rome.

Baptists didn't come from Rome.

Prodestants did.

37818 said:

Interesting. The first day of the week the day after seven Sabbath days from the Passover. Leviticus 23:5-16.

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I have usually described it that way in the past. But I wonder...
Overall it seems like it is counted from the sheaf of firstfruits.
Exodus 23:15-17; Exodus 34:22; Leviticus 23:5-16 (especially comparing verses 9 and 16); Numbers 28:26; Deuteronomy 16:9

Alan Gross said:

"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:" Colossians 1:27

Absolutely.

The Day of Pentecost and Jesus figuratively Immersing and Publically Inaugurating His Divinely Organized church body, there at Jerusalem that Day, WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, had nothing to do, however, with SALVATION, at all........

There were 3,000 Saved and THEY RECEIVED The Holy Spirit in their soul, by The New Birth, just like everyone, from Adam, until Jesus Comes Again.

However, Jesus Baptised His church body, there, assembled, in a ONE-TIME EVENT.

Jesus Anointed The Most Holy New Testament church with Another Comforter that He had Promised her. The Shekinah Glory.

The Shekinah Glory has Accompanied and Superintended the Operation of The Kind of churched Jesus Built, since that day, as He also Promised.

Apparently, The Lord doesn't Reveal His churches to a lot of folks.

If they knew that His churches exist, apart from the remainder of The Kingdom of God (Saved people on Earth), then the Promise of John the Baptist that there was One Who would baptize some of his hearers in The Holy Ghost,

....and the Promise Jesus Made to His Saved-Spirit-Filled Disciples, in corporate-capacity church assembly, assembled in The Upper Room that He would Fill them The Holy Spirit...

...had to do with Jesus Divinely Organized and Founded church-assembly, made up of Baptized believers, not a thing to do with Salvation.

Then, when those 3,000 were Saved what happened?

They WERE ADDED TO.....??? The Lords church at Jerusalem made up of His Disciples and other baptized believers who were.......assembled in an organized fashion and had been organized since Jesus Called them To FOLLOW HIM ( They were already Saved and water baptized, by The Authority of God, by a man sent from God to baptize)

Jesus BUILT His church out of His Disciples WHO HAD BEEN SCRIPTURALLY BAPTISED.

Jesus Sent Another Comforter and figuratively baptized and FILLED THAT ORGANIZED ASSEMBLY with THE HOLY SPIRIT to BE WITH HIS CHURCHES, ALWAYS, even unto the End of The Age, on The Day of Pentecost, ONCE.

The Holy Spirit has never baptized a thing.

There is no 'one church' and no one has been 'spirit baptized' into anything if there was something referenced as a 'church', to which someone mistakenly 'thinks' "all believers belong". That doesn't exist.

Those are Satanic Counterfeits substituted for a lack of understanding what Jesus Built and Anointed.

'Baptism' of any kind has nothing to do with anyone's Salvation.

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So on the day it was said," I will build my church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it," that wasn't
vi Fut Act 1 Sg, it had already begun when the first disciples had been baptized by John?

While Peter is yet speaking these sayings, the Holy spirit fell upon all those hearing the word, and those of the circumcision believing were astonished -- as many as came with Peter -- because also upon the nations the gift of the Holy Spirit hath been poured out, for they were hearing them speaking with tongues and magnifying God. Then answered Peter, 'The water is any one able to forbid, that these may not be baptized, who the Holy Spirit did receive -- even as also we?' he commanded them also to be baptized in the name of the Lord; then they besought him to remain certain days. Acts 10:44-48

Did they at the moment of that embolden become a part of, " but also we ourselves, having the first-fruit of the Spirit," ? Is that when they were indwelt with the Spirit, Christ was in them and they in the Church?

Salvation? Is the Spirit necessary unto salvation?
who, in the power of God are being guarded, through faith, unto salvation, ready to be revealed in the last time, 1 Peter 1:5
and if the Spirit of Him who did raise up Jesus out of the dead doth dwell in you, He who did raise up the Christ out of the dead shall quicken also your dying bodies, through His Spirit dwelling in you.
for ye did not receive a spirit of bondage again for fear, but ye did receive a spirit of adoption in which we cry, 'Abba -- Father.'
And not only so, but also we ourselves, having the first-fruit of the Spirit, we also ourselves in ourselves do groan, adoption expecting -- the redemption of our body;

I would venture to say, the day of first-fruit, Pentecost, God's feast of first-fruit is the feast of God ongoing unto the coming of the Lord. That the, them and us, of Acts 15:8,14 of having the first-fruit of the Spirit on goes unto Acts 15:16

Here is a thought. Is the Church being built with, Spirit filled, flesh and blood, humans called of God?
Can flesh and blood humans, called of God, inherit the kingdom of God? Will those of Rom. 8:23 inherit the kingdom of God? I wonder why, we groan within ourselves?

rlvaughn said:

I have usually described it that way in the past. But I wonder...
Overall it seems like it is counted from the sheaf of firstfruits.
Exodus 23:15-17; Exodus 34:22; Leviticus 23:5-16 (especially comparing verses 9 and 16); Numbers 28:26; Deuteronomy 16:9

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Correct beginning on the day the sheaf was waved which was on the first day of the week count seven sabbaths and the next day, the fiftieth day, Pentecost, feast of first-fruit.

Alan Gross said:

Being 'Rome' is ignorant.

So be it.

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Your opinion. And a false accusation.

Alan Gross said:

'Baptism' of any kind has nothing to do with anyone's Salvation.

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37818 said:

1 Corinthians 12:13, ". . . For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, . . ."
Acts of the Apostles 1:5, ". . . For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost . . . ."

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percho said:

Correct beginning on the day the sheaf was waved which was on the first day of the week count seven sabbaths and the next day, the fiftieth day, Pentecost, feast of first-fruit.

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Is the following not true?

Jesus was crucified as the “Passover Lamb” and rose from the grave at the Feast of Firstfruits.

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What is the Feast of Weeks? | GotQuestions.org

percho said:

So on the day it was said," I will build my church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it," that wasn't
vi Fut Act 1 Sg, it had already begun when the first disciples had been baptized by John?

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The Inception of the Lord's New Testament Churches.

Who started the Lord's New Testament Churches?

When did the Lord's New Testament Churches begin?

The answer to the question as to who started the Lord's church(es)
will determine the answer as to when His church(es) began.

http://www.ntbt.org/Articles/ChurchBook for PDF.pdf

"Let's turn to the Absolute Source and see what the Bible says.

In Matthew 16:18 Jesus said, …

"I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter,
and upon this rock I will build my church;
and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

There are two words that I wish to define before we explain this verse.

The first word is “Peter.” It comes from the Greek word Petros {pet'-ros}.

It is translated “Peter” 161 times, and “stone” 1 time.

Strong's concordance (Online Bible 6.3)
gives the following definition, “a rock or a stone;

one of the twelve disciples of Jesus.”

The second word is “rock.” It comes from the Greek word petra {pet'-ra}.

Strong's defines it as; 1) a rock, cliff or ledge
1a) a projecting rock, crag, rocky ground
1b) a rock, a large stone
1c) metaph. a man like a rock, by reason of his firmness and strength of soul.

This verse is used by the Catholic Church to show that Peter was the first pope.

To give such a 'translation' is to abandon all rules of biblical interpretation.

Christ was using the comparison of Peter's name as a small stone (petros)
with the rock (petra) with which He would build his church.

This “large rock” or “bed rock” (petra)
that Jesus was talking about was the confession
that Peter made in verse 16,

And Simon Peter answered and said,
Thou art the Christ,
the Son of the living God.

Jesus would build/continue to edify/mature his church(es)
by the fact that he was the Christ, the Son of the living God.

So we see that Jesus Christ
is the Founder of the local New Testament church.

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The Inception of the Lord's Churches.

Who started it? When did it begin?

The answer to the question as to who started the church(es)
will determine the answer as to when the church began.

Many believe that the church started at Pentecost.

This teaching is propagated by those that hold to the “Universal Church theory.”

The Universal church theory is so hard pressed that it does an almost unbelievable thing,
the “Universal Church theory”
FALSIFIES CONCERNING WHEN THE CHURCH WAS STARTED.

In doing this, it ignores the plainest Bible evidence, as well as the demands of common sense, in order to seek to have its way.

Moreover, the “Universal Church theory”
DISPLACES CHRIST FROM THE POSITION OF FOUNDER OF THE CHURCH,
and MAKES THE HOLY SPIRIT TO BE THE FOUNDER!11

(11 Roy Mason, The Myth of the Universal Invisible Church Exploded
(Clarksville, Tennessee: Bible Baptist Church 1977) p. 24.)

37818 said:

Is the following not true?

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. . . Jesus was crucified as the “Passover Lamb” . . . .;
The actual Passover lamb was killed the day before Jesus was crucified, Mark 14:12, ". . . And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? . . ."
My question then, was the 18th of Nisan, first day of the week in 30 AD, the feast of first fruits?

percho said:

it had already begun when the first disciples had been baptized by John?

...Did they at the moment of that embolden become a part of, " but also we ourselves, having the first-fruit of the Spirit," ? Is that when they were indwelt with the Spirit, Christ was in them and they in the Church?

...Here is a thought. Is the Church being built with, Spirit filled, flesh and blood, humans called of God?
Can flesh and blood humans, called of God, inherit the kingdom of God? Will those of Rom. 8:23 inherit the kingdom of God? I wonder why, we groan within ourselves?

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In 1 Corinthians 12:28, Paul says through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit,

And God hath set some in the church, first apostles,...

from: http://www.ntbt.org/Articles/ChurchBook for PDF.pdf

The first office that God set in the local church (ecclesia) was that of the apostles.

Luke 6:12-13 gives us the time when this took place.

And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God. And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles (emphasis added).

Jesus, in obedience to His Father, spent the night in prayer, after which He called His disciples around him. It was from that group of disciples that he chose his twelve apostles.

These twelve became the nucleus with which Christ started his church.

Therefore, according to Scripture,
the local New Testament church began in Luke 6.

These twelve apostles were “in the church” long before Pentecost.

When Christ called them to follow Him, they became a distinct entity, a closely knit group, a called-out body of believers, with Christ as their sole Head.

They forsook their former associations and became followers of Christ.

He was their pastor, their Good shepherd (Greek, poimen, John 10:14).12

There are numerous verses that we could call to the forefront to prove that the church was started before Pentecost, but because of space we will look at only a few.

(1) In Acts 2:41 we read, Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls (emphasis added).

This took place on the day of Pentecost.

How can you add someone to something that has not been in existence?

Therefore, they must have been added to the local New 10 Testament church.

Let me illustrate. If I add $50.00 to my bank account, you would automatically assume that I have an account already established at the bank. You would be right.

Therefore the Lord's New Testament church was already in existence at the time of Pentecost.

(2) In Matthew 18:17 Jesus said, And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican (emphasis added).

In this passage, Jesus is speaking about local church discipline. Why would Jesus make such a statement if the local church was not yet in existence?

(3) To say that the church was not in existence until Pentecost would undermine the Lord's Supper. …let us note that, unless the church existed previous to Pentecost, the Lord's Supper is not a church ordinance.

If He gave it only to individuals as such, when they died the ordinance died with them. We cannot believe this in the light of Paul's account of the institution of the Supper as given in 1 Corinthians 11.

Here, according to the account given, Jesus clearly implied that this memorial ordinance will be observed till He come again.

The individuals who were present at the Supper have been dead for centuries, and still He has not come.

Evidently, it was not to individuals as such that He gave the ordinance, but to individuals as constituting the church.

Only this church, the church to which continuous existence has been promised could observe the Memorial Meal continuously from the time of its institution until He comes again.13

Needless to say, there are many instances with which to prove that the church was started before Pentecost.

1. Christian believers before Pentecost had the gospel (Matt. 4:23; Mark 1:1; Matt. 9:35; 11:5; 24:14; 26:13; Mark 1:14, 15; 8:35; 10:29; 13:10; 16:9, 15; Luke 4:18; 9:6; 20:1, etc.)

2. They were converted (Matt. 3:5-8; 18:3; Luke 19:1-10).

3. They were baptized after conversion (Matt. 3:6; Acts 1:22).

4. The Lord's New Testament church had Christ as Head (Matt. 23:8; Mark 1:1; John 1:29).

5. The Lord's New Testament church were instructed in church truths (Matt. 18:15-20).

6. The Lord's New Testament church were called to obey Christ (Matt. 4:18-20).

7. The Lord's New Testament church were ordained (Matt. 10:1-5; John 15:16).

8. The Lord's New Testament church was commissioned (Matt. 28:18-20).

9. The Lord's New Testament church were organized enough for their needs (John 13:29).

10. The Lord's New Testament church had a missionary program (Matt. 10:1-11:1).

11. The Lord's New Testament church had a teaching program (Matt. 4:23; 10:1-42).

12. The Lord's New Testament church had a healing program (Matt. 10:1; Luke 9:1; 10:9).

13. The Lord's New Testament churches were promised a permanent church (Matt. 16:18).

14. The Lord's New Testament church had church discipline (Matt. 18:15-17).

15. The Lord's New Testament church had divine authority (Matt. 18:18; 28:18- 20).

16. The Lord's New Testament church had essentials of church life (Matt. 4:19; 18:20).

17. The Lord's New Testament church had true church democracy (Matt. 23:8- 12).

18. The Lord's New Testament church had qualified Pastors (John 15:16; 21:15- 17).

19. The Lord's New Testament church had the Lord's Supper (Matt. 26:26-28).

20. The Lord's New Testament church had the Holy Spirit (Luke 11:13; John 20:22).

21. The Lord's New Testament church had divine power to do Christ's work (Luke 9:1).

22. The Lord's New Testament church sang in the midst of the church (Matt. 26:30; Heb. 2:12).

23. The Lord's New Testament church had prayer meetings (Acts 1:14).

24. The Lord's New Testament church had business meetings (Acts 1:15-26).

25. The Lord's New Testament church had a membership roll (Matt. 10:2-4; Acts 1:13-15).

26. The Lord's New Testament church were united and added unto (Acts 2:1,41).

27. Jesus Christ was their cornerstone (Matt. 16:18; Eph. 2:20).14

Jesus Christ is the founder of the local New Testament church.

He took three years to train his disciples
on how he wanted his church to function.

From that time, to our present day,
the gates of hell have not yet prevailed on the church that Jesus built!

37818 said:

Your opinion. And a false accusation.

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Every individual Baptist church is a church of God. No others are.

http://www.ntbt.org/Articles/ChurchBook for PDF.pdf

"When the Authorized Version of our Bible was to be translated, King James commanded not to undermine any of the beliefs of the Church of England.

“Ecclesia” was not to be “congregation” or “assembly,” because they held to the invisible, universal theory.

“Ecclesia” is from ek, out of, and kaleo, to call; thus it is a called-out assembly. In Acts 19:32, 39, 41 it is used for Israel assembled before Moses.

Scofield's note on this verse says it should be “congregation” for its original meaning was a gathering out of citizens in a public place for deliberation.

And yet Scofield makes the astounding statement that it could mean the church “universal!”

When has a universal church ever gathered together in an assembly?2

Let me take this time to dispel any notion about Scofield's “Universal Church Theory.”

As we mentioned, the Bible uses the word “ecclesia” as an “assembly” or a “congregation.”

This universal church theory has been used to de-emphasize the local church.

“Universal churchites” use this theory as an excuse to neglect the local church. They feel that if they believe in this man-made theory, then baptism, church attendance, giving to the local church, etc., is not important.

This so-called universal church theory has caused many to err from the scriptural teaching of the local New Testament church.

Much of the confusion that is propagated by the universal churchites comes from a failure to differentiate between “The Family of God,” “The Kingdom of God,” and “The Church of God.”

Here is a brief synopsis of the three.

“The Family of God” refers to all the saved of all the ages,
“of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named” (Ephesians 3:15).

The only way into the “Family of God” is to be born again.

All who are born again are in “The Family of God.”

“The Kingdom of God” refers to the sphere of Christian profession and includes all the professing saved on earth at any given time. Christ told Nicodemus,

“… except a 5 man be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God” (John 3:3).

The Kingdom is composed of those who receive the king, as the Lord said,

“Verily I say unto you, whosoever shall not receive the Kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein” (Mark 10:15).

This was the kingdom of which John the Baptist spoke as the forerunner,

“in those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judea, and saying, repent ye: for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand” (Matthew 3:1-2).

John was the herald of the kingdom. This was the kingdom which Christ came to establish in the hearts of men. His keynote message was the same as that of his forerunner, “from that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand” (Matthew 4:17).

“The Church(es) of God” refers to the local, visible assembly of saved, baptized believers.3

In rightly dividing the Word of God, the ardent student will find only one true church in the Scripture, and that church will be a local, visible congregation of baptized, born-again believers.

The church(es) of God is never used of any institution, except of an assembly or congregation of baptized believers in some locality, e.g., the church of God at Corinth (1 Corinthians 1:2).

The local individual church is the only kind of church God has on this earth today.

There is only one family of God, composed of all the redeemed of all ages in heaven and on earth.

There are thousands of churches (Baptist) of God on earth.

Every individual Baptist church is a church of God. No others are.

percho said:

Salvation? Is the Spirit necessary unto salvation?
who, in the power of God are being guarded, through faith, unto salvation, ready to be revealed in the last time, 1 Peter 1:5
and if the Spirit of Him who did raise up Jesus out of the dead doth dwell in you, He who did raise up the Christ out of the dead shall quicken also your dying bodies, through His Spirit dwelling in you.
for ye did not receive a spirit of bondage again for fear, but ye did receive a spirit of adoption in which we cry, 'Abba -- Father.'
And not only so, but also we ourselves, having the first-fruit of the Spirit, we also ourselves in ourselves do groan, adoption expecting -- the redemption of our body;

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When a man is born again he is born into God's family.

from: http://www.ntbt.org/Articles/ChurchBook for PDF.pdf

He is in the family of God forever.

The relationship does not change.

Whether in heaven or on earth, he is in God's family.

When he is born again he also enters God's Kingdom.

This relationship is for life.

When he dies he passes out of the kingdom of God on earth
and enters “His Heavenly Kingdom” (2 Timothy 4:18).

After he has been born again he is not yet in a church of God,
but is now a scriptural subject for admission into a church of God.

“The Lord added to the church daily the saved” (Acts 2:47).

[ … And the Lord added to the church daily
such as should be saved. (Acts 2:47, KJV) DCM]

Church membership was NOT something a man got with salvation
but a subsequent blessing he got after salvation by being added to the church.

Baptism is NOT essential to admission into either the family of God
or the kingdom of God, but baptism is essential to admission into a church of God.

Men are born anew into the family of God and into the kingdom of God
but they are baptized into a church of God (1 Corinthians 12:13.)

The one body referred to by Paul in 1 Corinthians 12:13
was the church of God at Corinth.

Note in 1 Corinthians 12:27 he says,
“Ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.”

The Holy Spirit did not baptize the church at Corinth
neither was the Spirit the element in which they were baptized.

In one Spirit they were baptized (in water) into the church at Corinth.4

37818 said:

1 Corinthians 12:13, ". . . For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, . . ."

Acts of the Apostles 1:5, ". . . For John truly baptized with water;
but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost . . . ."

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Men are Born Anew into the Family of God and into the Kingdom of God
but they are baptized into a church of God (1 Corinthians 12:13.)

The one body referred to by Paul in 1 Corinthians 12:13
was the church of God at Corinth.

Note in 1 Corinthians 12:27 he says,
“Ye are the body of Christ,
and members in particular.”

The Holy Spirit did not baptize the church at Corinth
neither was the Spirit the element in which they were baptized.

In one Spirit they were baptized (in water) into the church at Corinth.

(4 Boyce Taylor, Tract, “The Difference Between the Family of God, the Kingdom of God, and the Church of God” (Clarksville, Tennessee: Bible Baptist Church).

from: http://www.ntbt.org/Articles/ChurchBook for PDF.pdf

rlvaughn said:

I have usually described it that way in the past. But I wonder...
Overall it seems like it is counted from the sheaf of firstfruits.
Exodus 23:15-17; Exodus 34:22; Leviticus 23:5-16 (especially comparing verses 9 and 16); Numbers 28:26; Deuteronomy 16:9

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I agree this needs further study. It is currently my understanding the day after the first Sabbath during the Passover week is the feast of firstfruits. In 30AD that was on the 18th of Nisan. The day after a Sabbath, Leviticus 23:11.

Alan Gross said:

Every individual Baptist church is a church of God. No others are.

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Makes Baptists sound like a cult.

Not all genuine churches made up of believes are called Baptist.

Not all Baptists agree that 1 Corinthians 12:13 refers to water baptism of local church menbership. Personally I will not join any Baptist church that teaches that (1 Corinthians 12:13 is water baptism) in their statement of faith.

37818 said:

...My question then, was the 18th of Nisan, first day of the week in 30 AD, the feast of first fruits?

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37818 said:

I agree this needs further study. It is currently my understanding the day after the first Sabbath during the Passover week is the feast of firstfruits. In 30AD that was on the 18th of Nisan. The day after a Sabbath, Leviticus 23:11.

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Without regard to the year in which it happened, yes, I think that the sheaf of firstfruits occurred on the morrow after the 7th-day sabbath after the Passover (Leviticus 23:11). If I understand you correctly, I think we are saying the same thing about that. From there (which I tentatively concur would be 18 Nisan), then, they counted seven sabbaths and the Pentecost occurred the day after the seventh Sabbath (Leviticus 23:15-16). That seems to me that they would have been counting from Sabbath 24 Nisan, since it is the first Sabbath after the firstfruits on the 18th (from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete). If I am figuring that correctly (which I may or may not be), Pentecost would have occurred on the 14th day of the third month (Sivan), which would be the first day of the week, the morrow after counting seven Sabbaths.

rlvaughn said:

Without regard to the year in which it happened, yes, I think that the sheaf of firstfruits occurred on the morrow after the 7th-day sabbath after the Passover (Leviticus 23:11). If I understand you correctly, I think we are saying the same thing about that. From there (which I tentatively concur would be 18 Nisan), then, they counted seven sabbaths and the Pentecost occurred the day after the seventh Sabbath (Leviticus 23:15-16). That seems to me that they would have been counting from Sabbath 24 Nisan, since it is the first Sabbath after the firstfruits on the 18th (from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete). If I am figuring that correctly (which I may or may not be), Pentecost would have occurred on the 14th day of the third month (Sivan), which would be the first day of the week, the morrow after counting seven Sabbaths.

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I get 7th of Sivan as the 7th Sabbath from the 24th of Nisan being the 1st Sabbath.
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37818 said:

I get 7th of Sivan as the 7th Sabbath from the 24th of Nisan being the 1st Sabbath.
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Thanks. That seems to be the way most people figure it. I am figuring on seven full weeks from/after the 24th. That way I get 14 Sivan. But I see what you are saying, counting 7 sabbaths rather than full weeks.

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I get 7th of Sivan as the 7th Sabbath from the 24th of Nisan being the 1st Sabbath.
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Going a little further with this, and the reason I am thinking along this line. If you go from the 24th of Nisan, counting it as the first Sabbath and counting a total of seven Sabbaths, the 7th of Sivan is only 49 days from the sheaf of firstfruits on the 18th -- so that technically one is counting from the Sabbath before the sheaf of firstfruits to get 50 days. Does that make sense?

Perhaps I should explain further that I am thinking the seven Sabbaths should be seven full weeks based on comparing Leviticus 23 with Deuteronomy 16:9-10, where it says "weeks." Not saying my way has to be correct; just trying to explain what I am doing. My view does seem to be a minority one.

rlvaughn said:

Going a little further with this, and the reason I am thinking along this line. If you go from the 24th of Nisan, counting it as the first Sabbath and counting a total of seven Sabbaths, the 7th of Sivan is only 49 days from the sheaf of firstfruits on the 18th -- so that technically one is counting from the Sabbath before the sheaf of firstfruits to get 50 days. Does that make sense?

Perhaps I should explain further that I am thinking the seven Sabbaths should be seven full weeks based on comparing Leviticus 23 with Deuteronomy 16:9-10, where it says "weeks." Not saying my way has to be correct; just trying to explain what I am doing. My view does seem to be a minority one.

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Leviticus 23:11 ". . . on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it."
Leviticus 23:15, ". . . ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, . . ."
The 18th of Nisan 7 Sabbaths. 49 days. The 7th of Sivan is that 49 day.

37818 said:

Leviticus 23:11 ". . . on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it."
Leviticus 23:15, ". . . ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, . . ."
The 18th of Nisan 7 Sabbaths. 49 days. The 7th of Sivan is that 49 day.

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Right. But it is only 49, not 50. Where would you put the 50th day?

Leviticus 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: 16 even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord.

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