Featured Pentecost

The issue is whether The Lord God of The Universe is Big Enough to Divinely Found and Organized His Own Institution, on Earth, to bring Glory to Himself and Sustain Truth, under The Superintendence of The Holy Spirit of God.

Baptist baptism, by The Authority of God, Identifies and Protects His churches from those that have alien immersion and are Practicing without Authority and, essentially, playing church as a religious Social Club.

Often, there are so many accursed gospels from one to the other you can't count them.

That is NOT OF GOD and NOT ACCEPTABLE TO WORSHIP GOD.

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This, of course, is abandoning a consistent, literal hermeneutic, of water baptism, for a non-Biblical, willy-nilly, inconsistent wild guess that requires FANTASY, which, A.) is not a Bible Heurmenutic and, B.) could be Satanic, and C.) is not questioned, or taken under consideration of a new 'way of salvation' and different doctrine foreign to all the rest of Scripture, as possibly being Satanic.

Fantasy is not a Bible Heumenutic.

This approach brings the World all the false teachings concerning a 'mill'.

Not that unusual. Just natural, as in the flesh.

Like being proud of it shows.

 

Reference: Acts 2:1 - Meaning and Commentary on Bible Verse

Acts 2:1

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come

Or "was come", was begun and entered upon; for it was not over, or ended, it being but the third hour of the day, or nine of the clock in the morning, when Peter began his sermon; see ( Acts 2:15 ) .

The Vulgate Latin and Syriac versions read, "when the days of Pentecost were fulfilled"; not that there were more days than one, kept at this festival;

for though the feasts of passover and tabernacles were observed each of them seven days, according to the law, and eight days according to the Scribes, yet the feast of Pentecost was kept but one day; and hence it is often said by the Jews, that Atzereth, which is one of the names they call this feast by, is but one day F12;

in the captivity they kept two days F13, as they did for the beginning of the year, because of the uncertainty of calculations;

but the sense is, when the whole fifty days from the Passover to this time were fully come, or fulfilled, when the fiftieth day from thence, which was properly the day of Pentecost, was come: on the second day of the Passover, on the sixteenth of Nisan, the sheaf of the first-fruits was offered up; after which, and not before, it was lawful to reap the corn, ( Leviticus 23:10 Leviticus 23:11 ) from this time the Jews reckoned their feast of weeks, or seven weeks, or fifty days;

see ( Exodus 34:22 ) ( Deuteronomy 16:9 ) ( Leviticus 23:15 Leviticus 23:16 ) which measured out the time of their harvest.

Now the last of these fifty days was the day of Pentecost, on which day was offered the two wave loaves, as a thanksgiving that their harvest was ended.

Josephus calls F14 this feast by the same name that Luke here does;

and says F15, the Jews so call it, from the number of the days, that is fifty;

and so R. Sol Jarchi F16 calls this day, (Myvymx Mwy) , "the fiftieth day": on this day, the Jews say F17, the law was given; and observe F18, that



``from the day that Israel went out of Egypt, unto the day that the law was given, were fifty days.''


And on this day, and which was the first day of the week, the Spirit was poured forth upon the disciples; the Gospel began to be preached to all nations, and a harvest of souls was gathered in:

they were all with one accord in one place;

in two ancient copies of Beza's, and in some others it is read, "all the apostles"; Matthias, and the eleven, with whom he was numbered, who are last spoken of, in ( Acts 1:26 ) .

Though this need not be restrained to the twelve apostles, but may be understood of the hundred and twenty, on whom, as well as on the apostles, the Holy Ghost might be poured forth, that so they might speak with tongues;

since among these were many ministers of the Gospel, as the seventy disciples, and it may be more; and that his extraordinary gifts should be bestowed on others, is but what was afterward done; see ( Acts 8:17 ) ( 10:14 ) ( 11:15 ) and though there were so many of them together, they were very unanimous and peaceable;

there were no jars nor contentions among them;

they were of the same mind and judgment in faith and practice, and of one heart and soul, and had a cordial affection for one another;

and were all in one place, which seems to be the temple; see ( Acts 2:46 ).

And indeed, no other place or house could hold so many as came to hear them, of which number three thousand were converted.



FOOTNOTES:

F12 T. Bab. Menachot, fol. 65. 1. Gloss. in. T. Bab. Beracot, fol. 17. 2. Bereshit Rabba, sect. 100. fol. 88. 2.
F13 T. Bab. Erachin, fol. 10. 1.
F14 Antiqu. l. 3. c. 10. sect. 6.
F15 De Bello Jud. l. 2. c. 3. sect. 1.
F16 In Lev. xxiii. 15.
F17 T. Bab. Pesachim, fol. 68. 2.
F18 Zohar in Exod. fol. 34. 4. Shirhashirim Rabba, fol. 9. 4.

 

Leviticus 23:16, "Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; . . ." Counting the 7 Sabbaths are 49 cays. The next day is the 50th day. I thought you understood that.

 

No. Counting from the 18th as 1 not zero.
So 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 are the 7 days, one week to the first Sabbath of the 7 Sabbaths of the 7 weeks. The following day making 50 days.
This is how I understand this.

 

The morrow after the weekly sabbath is day one, the morrow after the seventh sabbath would be the fifty days and that is what the bible states.

 

Question?

Paul, an apostle -- not from men, nor through man, but through Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who did raise him out of the dead -- Gal. 1:1
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. Isa. 28:16
be it known to all of you, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye did crucify, whom God did raise out of the dead, in him hath this one stood by before you whole. 'This is the stone that was set at nought by you -- the builders, that became head of a corner; Acts 4:10,11

Did the Son build the church or did the Father build the church, by raising the Son out of the dead, thus the Son became the head of the corner?

John 12:49 because I spake not from myself, but the Father who sent me, He did give me a command, what I may say, and what I may speak,

 

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In 1 Corinthians 12:28, Paul says through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit,

And God hath set some in the church, first apostles,...

The first office that God set in the local church (ecclesia) was that of the apostles. Luke 6:12-13 gives us the time when this took place.

And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God. And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles (emphasis added). Jesus, in obedience to his Father, spent the night in prayer, after which he called his disciples around him. It was from that group of disciples that he chose his twelve apostles.

These twelve became the nucleus with which Christ started his church.

Therefore, according to Scripture, the local New Testament church began in Luke 6.

These twelve apostles were “in the church” long before Pentecost.

When Christ called them to follow Him, they became a distinct entity, a closely knit group, a called-out body of believers, with Christ as their sole Head.

They forsook their former associations and became followers of Christ. He was their pastor, their Good shepherd (Greek, poimen, John 10:14).

There are numerous verses that we could call to the forefront to prove that the church was started before Pentecost, but because of space we will look at only a few.

(1) In Acts 2:41 we read, Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls (emphasis added). This took place on the day of Pentecost. How can you add someone to something that has not been in existence? Therefore, they must have been added to the local New 10 Testament church. Let me illustrate. If I add $50.00 to my bank account, you would automatically assume that I have an account already established at the bank. You would be right. Therefore the church was already in existence at the time of Pentecost.

(2) In Matthew 18:17 Jesus said, And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican (emphasis added). In this passage Jesus is speaking about local church discipline. Why would Jesus make such a statement if the local church was not yet in existence?

(3) To say that the church was not in existence until Pentecost would undermine the Lord's Supper. …let us note that, unless the church existed previous to Pentecost, the Lord's Supper is not a church ordinance. If He gave it only to individuals as such, when they died the ordinance died with them. We cannot believe this in the light of Paul's account of the institution of the Supper as given in 1 Corinthians 11.

Here, according to the account given, Jesus clearly implied that this memorial ordinance will be observed till He come again. The individuals who were present at the Supper have been dead for centuries, and still He has not come. Evidently it was not to individuals as such that He gave the ordinance, but to individuals as constituting the church. Only this church, the church to which continuous existence has been promised, could observe the Memorial Meal continuously from the time of its institution until He comes again.

Needless to say, there are many instances with which to prove that the church was started before Pentecost.

1. Christian believers before Pentecost had the gospel (Matt. 4:23; Mark 1:1; Matt. 9:35; 11:5; 24:14; 26:13; Mark 1:14, 15; 8:35; 10:29; 13:10; 16:9, 15; Luke 4:18; 9:6; 20:1, etc.) 2. They were converted (Matt. 3:5-8; 18:3; Luke 19:1-10). 3. They were baptized after conversion (Matt. 3:6; Acts 1:22). 4. They had Christ as Head (Matt. 23:8; Mark 1:1; John 1:29). 5. They were instructed in church truths (Matt. 18:15-20). 6. They were called to obey Christ (Matt. 4:18-20). 7. They were ordained (Matt. 10:1-5; John 15:16). 8. They were commissioned (Matt. 28:18-20). 9. There were organized enough for their needs (John 13:29). 10. There had a missionary program (Matt. 10:1-11:1). 11. They had a teaching program (Matt. 4:23; 10:1-42). 12. They had a healing program (Matt. 10:1; Luke 9:1; 10:9). 13. They were promised a permanent church (Matt. 16:18). 14. They had church discipline (Matt. 18:15-17). 15. They had divine authority (Matt. 18:18; 28:18- 20). 16. They had essentials of church life (Matt. 4:19; 18:20). 17. They had true church democracy (Matt. 23:8- 12). 18. They had qualified Pastors (John 15:16; 21:15- 17). 19. They had the Lord's Supper (Matt. 26:26-28). 20. They had the Holy Spirit (Luke 11:13; John 20:22). 21. They had divine power to do Christ's work (Luke 9:1). 22. They sang in the midst of the church (Matt. 26:30; Heb. 2:12). 23. They had prayer meetings (Acts 1:14). 11 24. They had business meetings (Acts 1:15-26). 25. They had a membership roll (Matt. 10:2-4; Acts 1:13-15). 26. They were united and added unto (Acts 2:1,41). 27. Christ was their cornerstone (Matt. 16:18; Eph. 2:20).

Jesus Christ is the Founder of the local New Testament church.

He took three years to train his disciples on how he wanted his church to function. From that time, to our present day, the gates of hell have not yet prevailed on the church that Jesus built!

 

Reference: Unleavened Bread.

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The bread used in the Lord's Supper must be unleavened.

Remember, Christ, instituted the Supper on the eve of His crucifixion while celebrating the Passover: And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? (Mark 14:12f).

During the observance of Passover, no leaven was to be found in the bread, nor in the house. And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever. 15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel. (Exodus 12:14-15).

Grape Juice Since there was to be no leaven found in the house during Passover, then we can safely say that the cup did not contain alcoholic wine. It would be inconsistent to use unleavened bread and fermented grape juice. In every account of the Lord's Supper, you will never see the word “wine” used. In fact, in Mark 14:25, Jesus mentions the type of drink that was used, Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

To make alcoholic wine you must add a source of fermentation-leaven. The Administrator The Lord's Supper is a New Testament church ordinance, therefore it should be observed by members of the local church and administered by it's officers when they meet for worship. It is to be observed only under the authority of the local church. It is unscriptural to take the Lord's Supper to an individual.

The Lord's Supper is a church ordinance, not a Christian ordinance.

Nowhere in the New Testament is the Lord's Supper observed being administered outside church capacity.

The Occasion.

The Bible does not give any specific period of time as to the frequency of observing the Lord's Supper. In reference to the Supper, Paul gave these instructions to the local church at Corinth; For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. (1 Corinthians 11:26).

Notice that he speaks of how often it is done and not how seldom. Since the Scriptures are not specific on the frequency, its observance must therefore be left up to each autonomous New Testament church. In the first century, the early Christians partook of the Supper daily, And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart (Acts 2:46).

This eventually leads to weekly observance, which is still held by some today. On the other extreme, there are some that observe the Supper only once a year.

They base this on the fact that the Passover was kept only once a year. The standard should be set by each individual church, keeping in mind that it should not take the Supper so often as to cause a matter-of-fact attitude.

Nor observe it so seldom that the members forget its sanctity. A neglect of the Supper by Church members is a grave evil. It betokens a decline of spirituality, and promotes it. And it is usually without excuse. If there be but one service in the month that a member can attend, that service should be the Communion; …

Pastors and deacons will do well to watch with jealous care this index to the churches' vital piety, and strive to inspire the absentees with a sense of its importance, and their own duty in respect to it.

To disregard it is an indignity to Christ's ordinance, a breach of good order, and a violation of covenant obligations, which the church should endeavor promptly to correct. Some churches, by a rule of discipline, have each member visited, who is absent twice in succession, to learn the cause of such absence.

To a devout Christian it is a sacred privilege, which he would not willingly forego.

Whether your church observes the Lord's Supper weekly, monthly, quarterly or yearly, the fact is, it must be observed “until He comes!” (1 Corinthians 11:26.)

The Purpose

The main purpose for the Lord's Supper is stated in 1 Corinthians 11:26, For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. G. W. Orrino gives seven reasons for observing the Lord's Supper.

One, it is an act of obedience. Christ commanded it be done and fidelity to Christ will respond.

Two, it is an act of remembrance. It draws our hearts and minds back to Calvary and to the price paid for our redemption.

Three, it is an act of testimony. The communicant identifies himself with the death of Christ.

Four, it is an act of confession. We declare salvation to be only through His finished work.

Five, it is an act of unity. The body comes together in a spirit of sacred fellowship.

Six, it is an act of praise. Hearts are lifted in adoration and thanksgiving for His matchless gift.

Seven, it is an act of proclamation. His coming for His saints is testified to

 

O.K I have no dogh in that fight.

 

Right.

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6. To anoint the most holy place.

When these papers were first written and published in serial form, we were of opinion that this prediction had its fulfilment in the entrance of the Lord Jesus Christ into the heavenly sanctuary (#Heb 9:23,24).

But subsequently a copy of Dr. Pusey’s work on Daniel the Prophet came into our hands, and we were much impressed by the exposition of this passage given by that great Hebrew scholar, who so ably defended the Book of Daniel from the assaults of the destructive critics.

He pointed out that the word anoint had acquired a settled spiritual meaning, citing the words of (#Isa 61:1,2), which our Lord applied to Himself, as He Whom God had "anointed."

Dr. Pusey also pointed out that, inasmuch as the same word is used in the very next verse of Daniel "unto the Anointed, the Prince"—it is to be assumed that words so closely united must be used with the same meaning.

This gives the idea of an "anointing of an All Holy place"
by the pouring out of the Holy Spirit thereon.

Dr. Pusey cites much evidence in support of this idea; but without going into the discussion of the matter at length, we will simply state that we were led thereby to the conclusion that

the coming of the Holy Spirit upon the disciples of Christ,
on the day of Pentecost, thereby anointing (#2Co 1:21)

a spiritual temple

"the temple of the living God" (#2Co 6:16),
furnishes a fulfilment of this detail of the prophecy,
a fulfilment which is not only in keeping with the other five items,
but which brings the whole series to a worthy climax.

 

Thanks, RLV. You sent me searching. From The Jewish Encyclopedia "Pentecost" entry:

PENTECOST ("fiftieth"):
...
The exact day on which the Law was given is, however, in dispute. The Rabbis say it was the 6th of Siwan; according to R. Jose it was the 7th of that month. All agree that the Israelites arrived at the wilderness of Sinai on the new moon (Ex. xix. 1), and that the Decalogue was given on the following Saturday. But the question whether the new-moon day fell on Sunday or Monday is undecided (Shab. 86b).

The three days preceding Pentecost are called "the three days of the bounds" () to commemorate the incident of the three days' preparation before Mount Sinai (Ex. xix. 11, 12). These days are distinguished by the permission of marriage celebrations, which are prohibited on the other days of Sefirah save Lag be-'Omer and Rosh-Ḥodesh. See Aḳdamut; First-Fruits; Flowers in the Home and the Synagogue; Law, Reading from the; Pilgrimages to the Holy Land; Prayer.​

From that perspective, perhaps Hebrews 12:18-24 is then also a reference to Pentecost?