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My alarm bells go off with your "church" involvement. Many shower you with love until you speak the truth and reveal their wickedness. My family was GARBC and loved me like no other until I refused to go to Vietnam. It made them look bad especially after the war ended when the truth came out and they had lots of crow to choke down. All but one disowned me, the only one to actually fight on the battlefield.

 

Why is it that so much heresy and false teachings in the church today are coming forth from those claiming to have deeper Holy Spirit experiences, as in WoF and name it and grab it?

 

"The evidence of contemporary christian life is such that god, if he ever existed, must surely be dead." said Bertrand Russel.

"Amen, to that" said everyone raised under a Modern Methodist or Presbyterian or Catholic church that read the quote by Bertrand Russel.

The greatest evidence AGAINST the truth of the Gospel is the spirit of ICHABOD that permeates our sad, old, tired mostly empty churches reminiscing about the faded glories of yesteryear ... all of whom only get excited about condemning anything that might possibly hint at "Pentacostalism".

 

Why is it that those claiming to have true Biblical teaching claim only shallow Holy Spirit experiences?
That is more concerning given what I read in the Gospels and Acts and the Apostolic Letters.
Did the Holy Spirit leave with the death of the last apostle?

 

No, but the Apostles and Prophets did!

 

Love is the only Good work.

 

Who told YOU that you were elect and chosen again? Maybe you can get a stamp from the holy spirit clerk

 

The Holy Spirit testified and witnessed in my spirit am saved!

 

What scripture says that?
I have never met a credible Apostle claimant, but where does scripture state that the Holy Spirit gives gifts as He pleases, EXCEPT PROPHECY?

 

Wait a minute, See here is an example of not having your story straight.

I heard the FATHER DRAWS, I heard the SON DRAWS....... Show me where it says the HOLY SPIRIT DRAWS.

 

Great question. I cannot recall a passage. Let's see if others have scripture.

 

Romans 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,


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I read the book excerpts in the beginning of this topic and they where very interesting but what jumped out at me is that scripture isn't mentioned anywhere.
It seems this conversation has broken down to a discussion of tongues?. I was born in a charismatic church myself and at times to my own shame attempted tongues. This doesn't mean that God can't use tongues, just that what I tried was wrong and I repent and regret my attempts. With that said, I have seen enough of them to conclude (for myself) that I am not the only person that needs to repent of them. They are no more beneficial than reading the Word for enlightenment and nobody ever speaks in a human tongue but rather it's an "angelic" tongue. If you had someone speak tongues and then had two different interpreters interpret, where they can't hear what the other is saying, you would get two different interpretations or something vague and useless. I have been the subject of tongues before and when interpreted I didn't apply at all to me. The price for prophesying falsely in the old testament was death, and I dare not speak for God unless I am truly, beyond a shadow of a doubt in my mind, being told to. If your Russian speaking in Angelic tongues the syntax will be Russian, if Hispanic it'll be Hispanic, English, English, and so forth making it sound like it's contrived. Then there's the fact that when Peter and the other Galileans spoke with tongues on the Pentecost it was to people who heard them in their own language and who where jewish proselytes and probably knew many languages, so it definitely was for a sign and not for necessity. There are people who would say that they all spoke one tongue (angelic) but the proselytes interpreted them or heard them in their language so God actually changed the way they heard it, but what gets me is the one mention of angelic tongues isn't even in the chapter describing tongues, and the only tongue that seems seem to be used today is an angelic one… then what about healing; no one picked out for healing in the New Testament walked away with the answer "I'm sorry you weren't healed, you must not of had enough faith…" One of my favorite verses is Mark 9:24 Lord I believe help my unbelief! Healing isn't just for the strong in faith. It's all subjective when you get away from the scripture, so maybe we can start bringing some scripture to the table and talk about that

Thank goodness I'm not overcome by the Holy Spirit when I'm driving or at work, that could be disastrous, but I have had a heightened sense of Him in both these places, I guess there is a place for everything

BTW the song is awesome !

 

What further revelations would God give to us in addition to the canon books then?

 

What new revelation was given to us in Jonah's prophecy to Nineveh?

What new revelation was given to us by the four daughters of Phillip the evangelist?

Acts of the Apostles 21:7-14 [NASB]
7 When we had finished the voyage from Tyre, we arrived at Ptolemais, and after greeting the brethren, we stayed with them for a day. 8 On the next day we left and came to Caesarea, and entering the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, we stayed with him. 9 Now this man had four virgin daughters who were prophetesses. 10 As we were staying there for some days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. 11 And coming to us, he took Paul's belt and bound his own feet and hands, and said, "This is what the Holy Spirit says: 'In this way the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.'" 12 When we had heard this, we as well as the local residents [began] begging him not to go up to Jerusalem. 13 Then Paul answered, "What are you doing, weeping and breaking my heart? For I am ready not only to be bound, but even to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus." 14 And since he would not be persuaded, we fell silent, remarking, "The will of the Lord be done!"​

Here is what God wrote to me ...

1 Corinthians 12:4-11 [NKJV] 4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit [of all]: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another [different] kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.​

I just what to see the verse where God changed His mind about how the Holy Spirit works and how His Church works. Until then, I continue to trust that God's word is as unchanging as His character.

 

He testifies and witnesses to us now are saved!

 

Apostolic Era was transition from old to new Covenant, and God spoke to us ALL of His revelation thru the canon books!