George Antonios
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Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Abiding by the revelation that the word of God is twoedged (Heb.4:12) I see in vs.1-5 two equally valid applications: the one historical (fulfilled), the other prophetic (not yet fulfilled). Although the context is apparently the first coming of Christ, v.4’s cross-reference to Daniel 8:10 (And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them) places the passage in the tribulation. Moreover, there was no such event as the casting of one third of the stars to earth and their stamping around Christ’s birth. Finally, the dragon casts the stars down with his tail which matches the false prophet according to: Isa 9:15 the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail. By extension therefore, the whole vision of vs.1-6 must be prophetic – not notwithstanding the historical application.
Now, I know some of you more enlightened brethren have already entered the millennial kingdom, and like your Corinthian forebears have reigned as kings without us (1Co.4:8) dispensationalists. Bless your hearts.
So here's your chance to correct literalist, futurist heresy, because I have hardly found a commentator that discusses the fall of 1/3 of the stars of heaven and their stamping circa the birth of Christ, as the exclusively preterist interpretation of Revelation 12:1-5 demands.
Could you please tell how 1/3 of the stars of heaven (whether Jews or angels) fell from heaven to earth, and were stamped by the devil (Daniel 8:10) around the birth of Christ (Rev.12:4)?
Thanks.
Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Abiding by the revelation that the word of God is twoedged (Heb.4:12) I see in vs.1-5 two equally valid applications: the one historical (fulfilled), the other prophetic (not yet fulfilled). Although the context is apparently the first coming of Christ, v.4’s cross-reference to Daniel 8:10 (And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them) places the passage in the tribulation. Moreover, there was no such event as the casting of one third of the stars to earth and their stamping around Christ’s birth. Finally, the dragon casts the stars down with his tail which matches the false prophet according to: Isa 9:15 the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail. By extension therefore, the whole vision of vs.1-6 must be prophetic – not notwithstanding the historical application.
Now, I know some of you more enlightened brethren have already entered the millennial kingdom, and like your Corinthian forebears have reigned as kings without us (1Co.4:8) dispensationalists. Bless your hearts.
So here's your chance to correct literalist, futurist heresy, because I have hardly found a commentator that discusses the fall of 1/3 of the stars of heaven and their stamping circa the birth of Christ, as the exclusively preterist interpretation of Revelation 12:1-5 demands.
Could you please tell how 1/3 of the stars of heaven (whether Jews or angels) fell from heaven to earth, and were stamped by the devil (Daniel 8:10) around the birth of Christ (Rev.12:4)?
Thanks.
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