Featured The Great God and Saviour of us Jesus Christ

and this is from Dr Marvin Vincent

"Of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ (τοῦ μεγάλου θεοῦ καὶ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν Χριστοῦ Ἰησοῦ). For Jesus Christ rend. Christ Jesus. Μέγας great with God, N. T.o, but often in LXX. According to A.V. two persons are indicated, God and Christ. Rev. with others rend. of our great God and Saviour Christ Jesus, thus indicating one person, and asserting the deity of Christ. I adopt the latter, although the arguments and authorities in favour of the two renderings are very evenly balanced. For one person are urged: 1. That the two appellations θεὸς and σωτήρ are included under a single article. 2. That σωτήρ with ἡμῶν, where there are two appellatives, has the article in every case, except 1 Tim. 1:1; and that therefore its omission here indicates that it is taken with θεοῦ under the regimen of τοῦ. 3. That ὃς in ver. 14 is singular and refers to Christ, indicating that only one person is spoken of in ver. 13. 4. The analogy of 2 Pet. 1:1, 11; 3:18. 5. The declarations concerning Christ in Col. 1:15; 2 Th. 1:7; 1 Pet. 4:13; Col. 2:9. For two persons are urged: 1. The fact that θεὸς is never found connected directly with Ἰησοῦς Χριστὸς as an attribute. 2. The frequency with which God and Christ are presented in the N. T. as distinct from each other, as having a common relation to men in the economy of grace, makes it probable that the same kind of union is intended here, and not a presentation of Christ as God. 3. The evident reference of θεοῦ in ver. 11 to God the Father. 4. The analogy of 2 Th. 1:12." (Word studies in the New Testament)

 

out of your depth! Prove me wrong from the Greek, which is what matters here!

 

In Revelation 11:15, it reads, "Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”. The words, "he shall reign" are one word in the Greek, "βασιλεύσει", which is in the singular number, used here for the JOINT REIGN of BOTH "our Lord" and "His Christ". Likewise in 22:1, it says, "the Throne (θρόνου) of God and the Lamb", again, in the singular, for JOINT REIGN. And in verse 3, " And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him" "shall serve HIM", in the singular, "αὐτῷ", meaning the Throne (Reign) of "God" and "the Lamb" are one and the same. JOINT!

 

can you read? "although the arguments and authorities in favour of the two renderings are very evenly balanced", shows that BOTH readings are possible from the Greek!

 

see # 47

 

can we please keep this to the OP

 

yes I know that, I was showing that there are TWO, rather THREE, as I have shown in the OP, readings for Titus 2:13, each one based on the Greek of the text!

 

this "rule" is NOT without exceptions, and therefore cannot be used to show a conclusion from the Greek grammar alone.

see # 15

 

BA born again!