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Featured Doctrine of Unconditional Election 2

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Brightfame52, Nov 13, 2021.

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    Brightfame52 Well-Known Member

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    Scriptures that indicate that election to Salvation took place before the elect individual existed:

    Jeremiah 1:5 - “Before I formed thee in the belly, I knew thee, and before thou camest forth out of the womb, I sanctified thee.”



    Matthew 25:34 - “Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.”


    Ephesians 1:4 - “Even as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world.”


    2 Thessalonians 2:13 - “But we are bound to give thanks to God alway for you, brethren, beloved of the Lord, for that God chose you from the beginning unto salvation in sanctification of the Sprit and belief of the truth.”

    Compare also the phraseology used as to the names written in the Lamb’s book of life, Revelation 13:8 -

    “And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him (that is the beast), every one


    Revelation 17:8 - “And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, they whose name hath not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast how that he was, and is not, and shall come.”
     
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    Again, you sound confused. This thread is about unconditional election.
     
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    So what is election conditioned upon ?
     
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    Election is not conditioned on anything. It is unconditional. But no one gets saved without repenting of his sins and trusting in Christ for salvation. These two truths are not in opposition but in the sweetest harmony.
     
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    How is what I say not directly related? Also, why the insults? If you had something to say, you wouldn't need to insult people.
     
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    Who did this when preaching the gospel? Are you preaching a different gospel in doing so?
     
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    Election guarantees the elect will repent and believe, but election isn't conditioned on those things.
     
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    Dont mean to be insulting you. Put it like this then, Im confused on what you saying. How does it relate to unconditional election, thats my emphasis in this thread.
     
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    Do you insinuate that to mention Christ died for His elect, His Sheep exclusively is a different Gospel like as in Gal 1:8-9 ?
     
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    Let me try again. Election is unconditional, but those who are elect will repent and believe the Gospel at some point. If they don't, they are not elect.

    I think we're agreeing with each other.
     
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    Where do you find anyone in the NT preaching the gospel your way?
     
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    Use Peter's sermon at Pentecost as an example of how to preach the gospel. It contains the gospel of the kingdom in its most developed state. Not a chirp about what you think it should be.
     
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    I wouldn't want to suggest that it's a different Gospel, but it is different from that preached in the book of Acts.
    The longest sermon by Peter that we find there is that preached at Pentecost. There he bids his hearers, 'Repent and be baptized, every one of you .....for the remission of sins.'
    The Longest sermon by Paul is the one he gave at Psidian Antioch, and in Acts of the Apostles 13:38-39, he says, 'Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.' there is no mention of election in either extract. Not that election isn't true, but it doesn't figure in these sermons.
    Incidentally, that last verse destroys the idea of Justification from eternity.
     
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    The word here translated "chose" is at no place* translated "elect." [* In the KJV as a reference.] εκλεγομαι
     
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    Actually Peter preached Limited atonement in Acts 2, He was speaking specifically to the House of Israel Gods Elect Acts 2:36

    36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
     
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    Still the same. Jesus used them to refer to the same people Mk 13:20


    And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
     
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    Good call.
     
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    That the elect do not merit their election according to God's will. [Matthew 7:21 God's will]
     
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