Featured Penal Substitution Theory

The interesting thing is the first millenia and a half of the Christian Church did not believe God punished His Son instead of punishing us.

It is interesting because you take a relatively new minority theory and insist it is essentially the cornerstone of Christianity.

But you do this on error.

Nobody has said a sin debt is owed the world.

That said, please back up your claim.

What passage(s) are you referencing that state (without your theory....I'm speaking of God's Word, not any additions....i.e. "What is written" and what is written again):

1. Christ paid our sin debt (note - we all agree the record of debt under the Law is canceled).

2. Jesus experienced God's wrath.

3. God punished Jesus instead of punishing us.

4. God is unable to forgive sins except He first (or by) punish sin.


You can claim all day long that @agedman and I reject Scripture, BUT the funny thing is our view is the actual written text of Scripture where yours is what you believe is taught but not recorded.

 

Again, the gospel message is what is written in the Bible - not some theory invented by man to explain what is written in the Bible.

Through Adam's transgression sin entered the World, and through sin, death. The human race was in bondage, a slave to sin and death (the flesh.....all flesh must perish).

The Messiah is foretold in that the seed of the Serpent would strike the seed of the woman, but He would crush the Serpent's head.

God gave Israel the Law. God's law showed man his sin. Men could not meet that standard of righteousness.

God implemented a sacrifice system, foreshadowing Redemption. Man would kill an animal, shed its blood. The offering pleased God. In His forbearance He passed over their sins until the New Covenant.

God loved the world by sending His Son. Christ shared in our infirmity, suffered under the bondage of this evil. This culminated in the World esteeming Christ as stricken by God and under the judgment of the World, under the curse, Christ suffered and died.

Christ was wrongly judged, and He suffered and died at the hands of wicked men, under the powers of the World. This is the powers God described as powers of darkness, principalities and evils that we also struggle against.

BUT this was the will of God. It pleased God to crush Him, to put Him to grief. This was God's predetermined plan, for through this Christ would see the fruit of His labor - that is, our redemption.

God forsook Christ to suffer and die under tge powers of the World. God vindicated Christ (not against Himself, but against the World) by raising Him on the third day - having gained victory, not against God but against Satan, freeing us from slavery - removing the sting of death

Christ is the Propitiation for the sin of mankind. He is the Mediator, the High Priest. All judgment is given Him. Sin will be judged, and the judgment is the Light has come but men rejected this Light. But there is no judgement in Christ.

 

We do....BUT this was Abraham sacrificing Isaac believing God would resurrect Isaac as God is faithful. Abraham was not a "type of God" but was representative of man....specifically a representative of Israel. This is the account in that his faith was reckoned as righteousness.

You are making the mistake of interpreting Scripture not with Scripture but through the lens of your own presuppositions.

 

Men by the will of God. It pleased God. But you are right, God did not inflicted death on the animals. Man did for their sins.

 

Yes. Christ died at the hand of men by the will of God. Men did not pour upon Christ's God's wrath but their own.

 

Uh....no. That is not even close to what I have said.

It was God's will that Christ die at the hands of evil men. If you are suggesting that God used those men to crucify Christ then I absolutely agree. Christ was obedient even to death on a cross. I am not sure that I would call men beating somebody and killing them "God's wrath". If it is, then God poured His wrath out on a lot of Christians.

Chiust IS THE Propitiation for the discussion of the World. Through Him we escape the wrath to come (God's wrath....not the World's wrath).

God does not look the other way. All judgment is given to the Son. Justice IS satisfied.

We disagree.

I have made my points and you your points.

You cannot say my view is unbiblical in the sense it is not in the Bible (what I believe is actually in the text of Scripture).

But I can say your view is not in the Bible (not in the text of Scripture). You say it is what Scripture teaches, and I understand that. But I strongly believe that doctrines essential to our faith are actually recorded in the text of God's Word.