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Someone who didn’t get the shots

 

You have the wrong because.
All humanity goes to hell...because...they break God's law and are in rebellion.

All persons who go to heaven are there...because...God chose to ransom them.
1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God’s power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

1 Peter 1:18-21
Knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

1 Peter 2:7-10
So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe, “The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,” and “A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do. But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are God’s people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.


Luke 20:17-18
But he looked directly at them and said, “What then is this that is written: “‘The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone’? Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, and when it falls on anyone, it will crush him.”

 

A straw man living in the land of OZ.

 

What does the Bible say about being chosen, elected and predestined?

 

Agreed. One of the biggest practical problems I see with Calvinism is explanation of the Fall of Satan, the fall of 1/3 Rd of the angels, and the fall of man. Calvinists have a collection of excuses to try to deal with the three problems, but their excuses are woefully inadequate.
They pound the phrase "A sovereign God." What they refuse to admit is that if God was incapable of granting Arminian free will, then God would not be Sovereign.

 

One's presuppositions are necessary. Our problem is not the having presuppositions, but having presuppositions that are not true.

 

I don't see your connection to Satan's fall or the third of the angels. This view comes from Ezekiel's epic poem regarding the King of Tyre and is applied to Satan (I believe correctly).
That Satan and 1/3 of the angels fell in sin and became corrupt demons was ordained by God. That man fell in sin and became corrupt and enslaved to sin was also ordained by God.
That God chose to ransom man, but not angels is an example that God will have mercy on whom he has mercy.

The fact that God ordained these falls does not make God the author of sin, but it does make God Sovereign.

 

This doesn't sound like the day TULIP died. This sounds like the day you gave yourself into full on humanism and ignoring Scripture.

 

My only disagreement with them is Lordship Salvation…there is disagreement over the subjects of Perseverance and the Absolute Predestination of all things.

 

Calling calvinism the gospel is false. Calvinism is just the misapplication of the scriptures by twisting or ignoring the text of the bible. The bible is the standard to which we are to hold.

 

I agree man will be in hell because they reject the love of God and the free gift of salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. Via their free will man could have trusted in Christ Jesus but instead they rejected Him.

But under the determinism of calvinism man does not have that choice.
Under calvinism that is not why they are in hell. Read your DoG or confessions. God determines who will spend eternity in hell not because of their sin but because He did not pick them out to be saved. Man has not real ability to chose, although calvinists will say man chooses his greatest desire, but even mans desire is determined by God so man really has no ability to chose otherwise dos he?

 

I know what the bible says and it does not lineup with calvinism. Calvinism is the error so show me how it lines up with the bible via scripture.

 

Amazing how, according to your logic, no one up until Augustine got the bible right and then he set the world straight. When you pick and choose what parts of the bible you want to believe and disregard the rest it is not the bible you believe but rather it is yourself.

The bible is the standard and your theology, to be true, has to line up with it. Calvinist seem to think their theology is the standard and there in lays the problem.

 

Of course that’s your opinion… you do know what they say about opinions right!?!

 

Men are in hell because they break God's moral law.
You add a whole bunch of extra stuff because of your philosophy.

God is not nor has He ever been obligated to ransom any human. God is not unfair if He chooses to ransom just one because he chose to be merciful while not ransoming any other.

You, however, blame God and call Him unfair and the author of sin...if He doesn't follow your protocol of free will.

 

That is just a colloquial acronym for 'The Truth', of the Triune Godhead's Eternal Covenant and Plan of Salvation.

 

I understand many see Calvinistic determinism as the main factor in this question. What I am saying is you cannot honestly consider this issue if you limit the question to Calvinistic determinism.

I would say God’s love is not “overruled”, because it established by His choice to redeem those He has chosen. If He did not, according to GOG, none of His creation would be saved.

Matthew 11:28 is limited by v. 27, which says “…no one knows the Father but the Son and those whosoever the Son wills to reveal Him.”

No one comes to a saving knowledge of God unless Jesus wills it. If Jesus wills it, they will “come to Me…. I will give you rest.”

peace to you

 

"all who are saved God wills they should be saved; nor are any saved, but whom he wills they should be saved: hence by all men, whom God would have saved, cannot be meant every individual of mankind, since it is not his will that all men, in this large sense, should be saved, unless there are two contrary wills in God;"