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Has God fully identified ALL who will believe, before they ever believe?

Did Jesus fully pay for ALL who would believe?

The answer is YES.

Where we differ is: You seem to think God is clueless to who will believe and thus Jesus had to shed his blood for all the damned as well as the redeemed.
I think God is fully Sovereign and knew, before the foundation of the world, who will believe and thus Jesus shed his blood only for those who would believe. Jesus blood was not wasted.

There is really only two views.
1) Universalism
2) Limited Atonement

 

Most of us see God as desiring all to be saved 1Timothy 2:3-4 and He actually showed His love for the world when He came to save us John 3:14-18. But man is sinful Romans 3:23 and this condemns all of us Romans 6:23 but God knew this and provided a way for man to escape, Christ Jesus John 1:29. God has provided the means to know Him Romans 1:20 and to know that we are sinners John 16:8. That is why we preach the gospel the power of God for salvation for all who believe Romans 1:16. Although Christ came to be a ransom for all 1Timothy 2:5-6 not all will accept Him. Christ covered the sin debt for all as only an infinite God could do 1John 2:2.
God has provided the means of salvation Romans 3:21-26. God is trustworthy and will save those that call on Him Romans 10:13 having heard and believed the gospel message Ephesians 1:13.

We can rest assured that God loves all of His creation and wants all to be saved having provided the means for that to happen.
“The propitiation is as wide as the sin” (Bengel)
"Thou, too, art part of the world: thine heart cannot think, The Lord died for Peter and Paul, but not for me" (Luther).

 

What and then trust in those man made documents that you trust in? I would suggest that you trust in your bible more and less in those men that you do now.

 

Yet, in your version, God fails miserably.

 

Your position is a Blasphemous rail against the Nature and Justice of God.

 

You can't even be force feed The Truth,
of the slightest.

Wise and prudent as they come.

 

So you do not believe the bible.

 

The truth is the bible not what you seem to think you are getting from those men. Why do you continue to deny scripture and instead trust what some man tells you that you should believe about scripture?

 

...lol, and it doesn't get any better the older we get...

 

Far from it. And you, sir, are bloviating. Prove it's blasphemous instead of just making a hit-and-run statement.

 

It is interesting to me what God said about the curse before the flood, because of sin. He said this:

Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

I am not sure how much pain and hardship this curse on the ground caused, but it must have been severe. Here is some commentary on it 600 years before the flood.

Gen 5:28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.
30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:

I am not sure how Noah would relieve the pressures of the curse, but I did read this when he landing on this side of the waters.

15 And God spake unto Noah, saying,
16 Go forth of the ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons' wives with thee.
17 Bring forth with thee every living thing that is with thee, of all flesh, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth.
18 And Noah went forth, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him:
19 Every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl, and whatsoever creepeth upon the earth, after their kinds, went forth out of the ark.
20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

I cannot find anything in prophesy that God is planning to remove a curse on the ground in the future. Of course, if there were no curse on the ground there would be none to remove.

I admit that I may not have the full picture and am in a learning mode if someone has more light on the subject of the curse and the ground.

 

Did you see where a post says read this verse or that verse with explanation as to how the verse denies Jesus is the means of salvation of the whole of humanity? All these Falseology posts are for the purpose of obfuscation.

1 John 2:2 (Literal Translation) and He is the means of reconciliation concerning the sins of us, yet not only concerning ours but also concerning the whole of humanity.

 

To hold to having God send His Son to die for souls that are also punished in Hell is accusing God of Blasphemous Double Jeopardy.

Saved individuals are to have a teachable Spirit and one that repents of Blasphemous charges against a Holy God.

 

To hold to having God send His Son to die for souls that are also punished in Hell is accusing God of Blasphemous Double Jeopardy.

Saved individuals are to have a teachable Spirit and one that repents of Blasphemous charges against a Holy God.

 

Well since that bible does not teach such a thing as "God sending His Son to die for souls that are also punished in Hell" you must be getting that idea from all the books you read from all those calvinist theologians you keep quoting. I keep telling you to just believe the bible but you insist on trusting those men and there in lays your problem.

 

Alan it is time for you to stop with the huff and puff. Deal with what the bible says not with what you think the bible says.

 

I'm not interested in arguing 'religion',
without God, without Christ and without Hope.

"ye were without Christ,
being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel,
and strangers from the covenants of promise,

having no hope,

and without God in the world:"

Have you added some more "ways of salvation",
to your list?

None of them would have been there 50 years ago.

Keep adding until you get it right.

Religion sends people to Hell.

And they have, "ASSURANCE";

Matthew 7:21, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord,
shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord,

 

I do not have to add extra ways as I just go by what the bible says and that without alterations. You seem to be the one that will not trust what the bible says so that is why I keep telling you to just trust the bible and not those other books you keep pointing us to.