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  1. MrW

    MrW Well-Known Member

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    “But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.”
    Genesis 13:13

    “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”
    Leviticus 18:22

    “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.”
    Genesis 2:24

    Jesus said in Mark 10:6,
    “But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.”

    Let me clarify some on the gospel of the grace of God...

    God knows ALL about your personal sins and yet still in His mercy and grace desires to wash away the filth of your sin with His own precious blood.

    "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel...
    3 ...how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"
    I Corinthians 15:1, 3, & 4

    The Bible calls for “...repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.”
    Acts 20:21

    And goes further to explain, “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

    13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
    Romans 10:9,10,13

    So the encouragement today is to turn from any false hopes you may have about earning your own righteousness. Turn now from every false hope and TRUST JESUS!!!

    Cry out to Him today!!!

    “...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”
    Acts 16:31.
     
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    And the spiritually dead hear this and respond, how?

    *Ephesians 2:4-5*
    • But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christby grace you have been saved
    First things first: But God!
     
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    That’s up to them and God. I’m just telling how to be saved.
     
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    Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

    Rom 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.


    Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith,

    We are all sinners and can not save ourselves. But God only saves those that believe in His son. And one comes to believe in Christ Jesus through the hearing gospel message. Then God via His grace saves those that have believed in His son.

    If one is alive with Christ that means they are saved and one is only saved when they believe in Christ Jesus. So we see that those that God has made alive are those that have trusted in Christ Jesus. That is clearly shown in scripture
     
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    Amen and praise God!
     
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    Salvation is right standing with God by His grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
     
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    How is "becoming alive" up to man? Is that what the text tells you. Does it say "But God, with the cooperation of man..."

    Come on MrW, you know better than this. You are trying to hang on to something God doesn't teach.
     
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    What you state here is never, ever, taught by God.
    In Ephesians 2:4-5 we see that you and I and all humans were dead. Neither you, nor I, nor any human, could believe because we were dead in our sins.

    The conjunction,"But God", tells us that God must make us alive with Christ before we can hear the truth and believe it.

    Your humanism is so strong that you will not acknowledge God being the cause of your salvation. Everytime I read your words it makes me sad to see you deny the quickening of God before you ever believed.
     
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    So where is the text the says He saves those the do not believe in His son? Come on Austin your continued denial of scripture is really sad.

    Act 16:31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."

    Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes,

    Rom 3:26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

    Gal 3:14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

    Gal 3:24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

    Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

    Austin you keep posting Eph 2:4-5 but you seem to forget context when it does not suit you.

    Eph 2:1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
    Eph 2:2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
    Eph 2:3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
    Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
    Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

    The bible points out that these were quite lively dead people. But then you do overlook the last part of verse 5 (by grace you have been saved) and we know that one is only saved when they believe just as vs 8 tells us Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

    And just so you know what the gift of God is
    Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
     
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    Sliverhair, we've been over this on multiple occasions.
    Here's our difference:

    You place man before God. You have man choosing to believe and then God needs to act by saving them. For you, man is the cause and God is the effected being. That is a graceless gospel that you teach, Sliverhair.

    I place God before man. I have God choosing to save his elect child and giving his elect child the faith to believe unto salvation. God makes his elect child alive, even when his child was dead in sins. He saves them by his grace alone, and he graciously gives them faith to believe.

    For you, you demand that you be in control of your life.

    For me, I demand that God be the Sovereign King who is in control of all His creation. God determines who will be saved and who will not be saved. God determines who will have faith and who won't. God determines what gifts He gives to His children. God is the cause and we are the effected being.

    All those verses you share. They all prove my point and you seem to be clueless of that truth.
     
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    I didn't say becoming alive is up to man. Only God can do that. He only does that for those that believe on Christ. I didn't say with the cooperation of man. I only said what God said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ AND thou SHALT BE saved...".

    It's funny you guys believe that IF we confess our sins THEN the Lord Jesus is faithful and just to forgive our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (you [correctly] put confession first), but if you were true to your belief system of putting the RESULT ahead of what God tells the person to obey, then you should read it, "He is faithful to forgive our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness and then we confess our sins.

    You come on. Stick with the Bible, and forget Jean Calvin.
     
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    You must have a different bible than I have or you just do not know how to read. The condition God set was that man had to believe in Hi son before He would save them. But since I do not have a pair of your Calvinist glasses that distort the clear text of the bible it will be impossible to see things from your philosophical view. So I will just trust scripture.
     
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    If "the heart man believeth" what?

    "the Lord Jesus", maybe(?)

    What about Him? "that God hath raised him from the dead"(?)

    Doesn't that kind of goes with, "the gospel...

    3 ...how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    4 And that he was buried,
    and that he rose again the third day
    according to the scriptures:"
    I Corinthians 15:1, 3, & 4

    If anyone doesn't know, The Bible calls for “...repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.”

    and that "repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ" will be Granted by God in the New Birth, to Enable a Spiritual Capability to Savingly "believe" in their heart "that God hath raised him from the dead" with the sinner's Newly Acquired Ability to respond to the preaching of the Gospel.

    Then, they can confess what they have been given the ability to believe, for what?

    The heartfelt forgiveness of their sins? As a guilty sinner before God?

    Or, are they just consenting and asserting that if 'to just believe', like 'historically only with the intellect' is the way not to go to hell, "I'm in", etc.



    Mental 'belief' does not contain repentance, Savingly Spiritual faith, because there has been no regeneration.

    "The Gospel", clearly preached involves the death of Jesus because of sin.

    Have they been convicted of their sin? by the Word and the Lord?

    To 'Savingly believe' that when Jesus died, He died for their sins, personally?

    That is Eternally important to the individual person, for them not to be deceived, by some 'offer of a gift', "if they only believe".

    The Gospel is the power of God unto Salvation.

    Have those to whom "believe" would apply, in Romans been exposed to the Word of God and the Gospel?

    Of course.

    Pretty close by.

    The immediate context, in the previous verse, "The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach", Romans 10:8b.

    Then, how about the verses immediately following, in context?


    14 "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?

    and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?

    and how shall they hear without a preacher?

    15 "And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written,

    "How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

    16 "But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?


    17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

    This begs the question that I would like to sincerely ask.

    For the sake of honesty, what is the priority of omitting the accompanying scriptures, if not the intention to deceive?

    What makes those deletions always so imperative, in some circles?, not excluding many on the BB?



    con't
     
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    Had and where 'the Jailer' and the others that would be saved, in Acts 16, exposed to the Word of God and the Gospel? and would they further? (hint: vs 32).

    Of course.

    Acts 16:10; "And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them."

    16:12; "And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days.

    13 "And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.


    14 "And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul."

    Had the Jailor heard of Lydia?

    How about, had the Jailor previously heard a peep concerning
    "a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination", who cried, "saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

    18 "And this did she many days."

    How about any time during the uproar and arrest and singing at night of Paul and Silas?

    Had 'the Jailer', in Acts 16, been exposed to any of the Word of God and the Gospel, before he came running, after the earthquake?

    After all, in 10:23; "And when they had laid many stripes upon them, they cast them into prison, charging the jailor to keep them safely:"

    24 "Who, having received such a charge, thrust them into the inner prison, and made their feet fast in the stocks."

    Do you believe Paul and Silas were mum, while the Jailor, jailed them?


    25 "And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them."

    Anybody else?

    The keeper of the prison, the Jailor, came running to Paul and Silas, with a very pertinent question, for some reason.

    27 "And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.

    28 "But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.

    29 "Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,

    30 "And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?


    31 "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

    And is that right the second when the Jailor was saved?

    We know this:


    32 "And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

    That is all immediate context, to “...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”

    This begs a second question that I would like to sincerely ask.


    For the sake of honesty, what is the priority of omitting the accompanying scriptures, if not the intention to deceive?

    What makes those deletions always so imperative, in some circles?, not excluding many on the BB?

    In 10,000 words or less, per post.

    ...

    I would like to strongly suggest preaching the Gospel to lost sinners, as the One Way they might be saved, if that is what you have been called to do.

    Otherwise, all bets are off:


    Repent of your sins and believe the Gospel, btw;

    I'm glad to see MrW included these Eternally essential things,
    in his O.P., How To Be Saved.
     
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    Same Bible. I can read without forcing humanism onto the text and you, apparently, cannot.
    When we read about believing, there is only one condition, God must make them alive first before they can believe. That work of God is the gracious work that causes a person to believe.

    But, you just ignore the Bible on this. You keep forcing dead men to believe, apart from God.
     
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    Matthew 19: 25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

    26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.


    Brother Glen:)
     
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    Agree with your post. Only God can save and He has chosen to save those that trust in His son.

    Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
    Rom 5:2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
     
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    What necessity is there to believe when one is already saved?
     
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    Whom God chooses to make alive, God chooses to give faith and belief.
    "But God..."
    God doesn't "need" anything from you. He's not powerless until you make your own decision. If God did not choose to make you alive, you would never, ever, believe in God or have faith in the shed blood of Christ. You, like all dead sinners, would consider God's word to be foolishness.

    It's too bad that you and Sliverhair do not understand how much God did for you when God chose to save you. It's like you are desirous to slap God in the face and tell Him that He can't dare to save you without your consent.
     
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