Featured Was it the Choice of God That You Were Born Into the World

The answer is no, not in most cases. Natural births happen through a natural process that God has set into motion in the beginning. The decision to produce children is a human one and several natural laws are involved for a conception and birth to take place.
The proof of this is in the very real practice of many Calvinists, and others, of family planning and birth control. Common sense says if a man and his wife are controlling the size of their family by human inventions then God is not. Therefore to teach that God has chosen who will be born again when it was not his choice who or how many will be born the first time is non biblical heresy. The truth is God elects all those who are born again by his Spirit when they hear and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Who will agree that is what God says through his prophets?

It is God’s choice to provide salvation to all who are born and will receive it as a gift by taking sin away and not charging anyone with personal sins while they live. He did this by punishing one perfect man, his own son, as a substitute for us all.

Salvatiion must be received by faith before a man dies the first death because the Bible says, “As it is appointed unto man once to die, and after this the judgement.” He 9:27.

The second death has no power over the man who has been born twice.

 

Point #1 comment - Thanks

Point # 2 Comment - Did God decide to not have a choice to have a decree?

Point #3 - Comment - God could have done anything he chose to do, including to be the absolute ruler of the universe in the context you imply, being a Calvinist as I suppose, but he did not. He has revealed his character and his MO in the written word of God and only a very deceived person would come to the conclusions about God that Calvinists hold.

Point #4 Comment - For God to be Love, kind, compassionate, merciful, longsuffering, gracious pitiful, as he reveals himself to be in the scriptures and in history does not make him some disinterested, impotent wooden idol as you seem to suggest. That would be bad theology coming from an extremely bad concept of God.

 

It was the word of the LORD (Lord GOD) who came to Jeremiah and spoke to him. Here is the record.

2 To whom the word of the LORD came in the days of Josiah the son of Amon king of Judah, in the thirteenth year of his reign.
3 It came also in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the end of the eleventh year of Zedekiah the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the carrying away of Jerusalem captive in the fifth month.

4 ¶ Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Verses 3 and 4 is past tense with a prophesy which came true. This speaks much more about the word of the LORD than about Jeremiah. It means he, the word of the LORD, is omnipresent and is not constrained by time and distance.

6 Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child.
7 But the LORD said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.
8 Be not afraid of their faces: for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the LORD.
9 Then the LORD put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth.
10 See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.

The word of the LORD in verse 4 is the Lord GOD (Adonai Jehovah) of verse 6.

 

You have quoted single verses from the book of wisdom for the most part, the book of Proverbs. You have done this to advance your own private interpretation of the scriptures to attempt to make the word of God fit your own presuppositions. The subjects of these verses have whole prophetic passages that deal with them elsewhere in the scriptures and gives us light. Single verses could be mined from the proverbs that would seem to advance anyone's false theology. It is not the ways to build your doctrinal views but your practical walk before God. It is instruction for the single hearer who desires wisdom. 16:9, "A man plans his course." 20:24, "A man's steps are ordered by the LORD." 21:1 "The King's heart is in the hand of the LORD,"

How you managed to apply Psa 139 to yourself is a mystery to me when it is obviously applied as prophetic utterances of our Lord Jesus Christ.


Wisdom personified:
Pro 20:20 Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:
21 She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying,
22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
33 But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.

 

Fundamentalists do!

 

Yes, that is kinda the point of the thread. God chose only one person before the foundation of the world, his own son Jesus Christ. He purposed to put your 14 brothers and sisters, had your parents decided to have that many children, into Christ when and if they believed his gospel.

The idea that the Reformed put forward in their doctrines that God has chosen them particularly by name in eternity past to be saved is a very false presentation of what God says and necessitates the practice of putting their twists on other plain and easy to be understood words of God, like the following.


Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

This is God’s definition of “grace” after everything else has been said.

 

Why doesn't those words mean what they say? Why do you have them saying those men the Father gave to the Son have been pre-elected. They do not say that. Drawing is a different word than elect. God knows and uses both words.

Only Jews are drawn in the scriptures and only before the cross. Paul wrote 13 letters to gentiles from 49 AD to 67 AD and he never ever used the word draw. He never even used the word. Neither did John in his 3 epistiles or in the Revelation. He used the word in his gospel account of the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ. Think! Why did God want the Jews to come to the earthly man called Jesus Christ. It is because there are many prophesies of Jesus which were given to these people concerning his coming in the flesh. It was important to God that they believe these promises when he fulfilled them. This is how his promises are confirmed. By them being fulfilled.

You have the wrong teachers. You are deceived. You are believing things that are not true.

Think, man! Think!

 

The difference between you and me is that I will not insert extra words into a text to make my point like you have. Maybe I just have better reading skills than you.

Re 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

When you sense the need to edit the text to make your point you have identified yourself as a false prophet. There is a difference between the words "before" and "from." The text does not say "from before" as you presented it as you can clearly see.

Now, God uses both words depending upon the context. When he is speaking of things pertaining to Jesus Christ he uses the word, before. When it is the context of his salvation of sinners he uses the word, from.

1 Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Re 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.