Featured 2 Peter 2:1 ". . . the Lord . . . .

That doesn't mean that if we have gone with a philosophy of reading the Bible as if it is any other book, or the philosophy that the first impulse we have as to what it may mean eliminates any and all other possible meanings, or that if have adopted those philosophies or others that they can't be abandoned for the Glory of God.

 

And there we have it:

However:

Nevertheless:

 

Jude 1:4 NASB
For certain people have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand [fn]marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into indecent behavior and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Probably off topic, but in Jude 4, the "Master" and the "Lord" refer to the same person, Jesus, rather than to two people, the mistaken view of those who deny the Granville Sharp rule of Greek grammar.

Thus, given the parallel nature of 2 Peter 2:1 concerning context, the conclusion should be that both verses refer to God the Son, our Lord Jesus.

 

Ah, Ha! So, that is the self-defeating, self-imposed, man-made philosophy, that Satan has used on your flesh, to keep you stuck in his stronghold of deception!

Thank you, for sharing!

I think I need to be doing some praying for you, buddy.

I shall, therefore, step into that Realm.

I'M TELLING GOD ON YOU!!!!

 

Are you trying to say something, other than these men were lost, and always had been lost, and always stayed lost,
"who were before of old ordained to this condemnation"?,

which is:
THE DECREE OF REJECTION, OF SOME ANGELS, AND OF SOME MEN.

I make use of the word “rejection” in this article, partly because it is a scriptural phrase and ascribed to God,

"and partly because it is that act of God which gives the name of reprobate to any (who have been "rejected", as those who had been "rejected", in Jude 1:4, spoken of those, "who were before of old ordained to this condemnation";

"and is the foundation of that character, “reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them”, (Jer 6:30)

"and (The REJECTION, OF SOME ANGELS, AND OF SOME MEN) stands opposed to election, (1 Sam. 15:26, 10:24)

"but chiefly because the other word reprobation, through wrong and frightful ideas being affixed to it, carries in it with many a sound harsh and disagreeable;

"or otherwise they are of the same signification, and no amendment is made in the doctrine or sense of it, by using the one instead of the other.

"This doctrine of rejecting some angels and some men from the divine favor is spoken of but sparingly in scripture, yet clearly and plainly; though chiefly left to be concluded from that of election."

They didn't know the Lord in salvation and had always been guilty of and always continued:

...because they had been, were, and remained:

 

You, as is your custom, leave you post without any pertinent content, as if you're scared to say you believe anything, really.

Twice you say "The Lord" is identified. So, we can just randomly guess what that identity is supposed to be out of everything that exists, in order to know what you are talking about?

No one has ever denied "The Lord" there !means God the Father.

No one has ever denied that "The Lord" in both passages means God the Father and that in Jude 1:4, "The Lord", is purposely distinguished as having a separate identity from, "our Lord Jesus Christ", in the English and in the Greek.

No one has ever denied that the lost men are specifically said in Jude 1:4 have denied our Lord Jesus Christ.

No one have ever denied that "The Lord" in 2 Peter 2:1, "bought", them.

Does that cover all the reasons you have for writing that reply?

No, because you set back and think in your head what you desire what you are going to believe and then post things where everyone else is supposed to connect several things from a jumbled bunch of word meanings and parts of verses that you're combining in your imagination, without ever reading other replies or the Bible, and if so, precious little, don't you?

Is that it?

Then comes your cryptic responses you want to say resolve the difficulties with your theology?

Here are some examples of what "bought" meant as if it was used in other passage in the Bible, referring to men and women, and other associated words including, "sold"(men and women), "buy"(men and women), "your possession(men and women), "sell"(men and women), redeemed"(men and women), "redeem"(men and women), "redemption"(men and women), "hired"(men and women), "price"(for men and women), and "an inheritance", are shown to mean from their usage in the Bible.

No allusion to anything that could establish any of them to be associated with Eternal Salvation, can be seen to be expressed by their usage, including, "bought", "possession", or "redeemed", "redeem", or "redemption", "price", "an inheritance".

And all of those refer to these same men and women who are said to be the ones, in Lev 25:55 - "For unto me the children of Israel are servants; they are my servants whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God."

The were "brought forth", by the same Lord in similar language to 2 Peter 2:1, where it says, "the Lord God that bought them.

That is how the Bible uses those words, although the men that crept in unawares where not "brought forth", or "bought", as specifically being among those who'd been in Egypt.

Not unlike, Lev 25:50 - "And he shall reckon with him that bought him from the year that he was sold to him unto the year of jubile: and the price of his sale shall be according unto the number of years, according to the time of an hired servant shall it be with him."

Lev 25:42 - For they are my servants, which I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: they shall not be sold as bondmen.

Lev 25:44 - Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.

Lev 25:45 - Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.

Lev 25:46 - And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

Lev 25:47 - And if a sojourner or stranger wax rich by thee, and thy brother that dwelleth by him wax poor, and sell himself unto the stranger or sojourner by thee, or to the stock of the stranger's family:

Lev 25:48 - After that he is sold he may be redeemed again; one of his brethren may redeem him:

Lev 25:49 - Either his uncle, or his uncle's son, may redeem him, or any that is nigh of kin unto him of his family may redeem him; or if he be able, he may redeem himself.

Lev 25:51 - If there be yet many years behind, according unto them he shall give again the price of his redemption out of the money that he was bought for.

Lev 25:52 - And if there remain but few years unto the year of jubile, then he shall count with him, and according unto his years shall he give him again the price of his redemption.

Lev 25:53 - And as a yearly hired servant shall he be with him: and the other shall not rule with rigour over him in thy sight.

Lev 25:54 - And if he be not redeemed in these years, then he shall go out in the year of jubile, both he, and his children with him.

 

Pick one, from among the excerpts from this thread;

 

I'm not trying to swomp you, or post long posts, because I don't think you even read them to start with and I could always break them into shorter posts, anyway, and I would rather be at the movies.

 

Oh, my bad, I see what you are saying is going on in your head, now.

You don't say too much, so it takes me a minute.

By adopting various impliable determinations in our heart and mind, there is a specific purpose that is able to be accomplished.

Not sure that God accepts that purpose, or that He wants to see it at the Judgment, though, so I have been at a loss as to why you wouldn't have just picked a system of theology the has its own verses to go with it, without the need for otherwise shaky and questionable (below) interpretations, being assumed to be immutable.

redemption?

No one?

"world?

"given"?

"excluded"

"everyone's"?

"denying"?

"bought"?

 

Your purpose for this thread has failed miserably.

"The purpose of this thread, 2 Peter 2:1 demonstrates the general redemption was God's provision", has not shown to have been accomplished without adopting and injecting various impliable determinations along with the necessity for considerably shaky and questionable (below), i.e., misinterpretations, being assumed to be immutable.
...

You quote 2 Peter 2:1 and advance the notion it contains an expression of "redemption", and then amplify it to be expressing "general redemption", however, your hypothesis doesn't include your definition of "redemption", or what you are crying out and insisting, with or without any linguistic integrity, the meaning "bought", is that you give it, that is essentially necessary it be accepted, without giving it further thoughts, whether that would be honest or not.

While on the other hand,

My copy of the post is showing me your quotes along with the one word questions. Can you see your quotes, I quoted?

All of those quotes of yours have to have various impliable determinations injected into them by the redefinition of words contextually, along with the necessity for considerably shaky and questionable (below), i.e., misinterpretations, being assumed to be immutable, before you can ring the bell toward 'proving' anything.

By placing many of the "four main parts of a web; the hub or centre of a web where the spider usually rests, the frame threads or borders of the web, the sticky spiral or insect catching area, and the anchor points like the guideline attaching the web to the substrate"*, all together in one place, I was hoping to see you reconstruct your interesting spider web.

I just gave you one single-word question per quote of yours, for you to see what you had to say for yourself, given the opportunity to shine by saying what you identify each of them to mean, where they all stick together and don't just come off as,

• bogus.
• deceitful.
• dishonest.
• distorted.
• erroneous.
• fake.
• fanciful.
• faulty.**

jive talking, into one entangled filament and gossamer labyrinth of a mesh.***

Welcome to thistledown.


*parts of a spider web - Google Search

** false meanings synonyms - Google Search

*** spider web synonym - Google Search

 

In Exodus 15:13, God redeemed the people of Israel, when He delivered them from the bondage of Egypt, when among other Blessings of His Providence, The Lord paid their purchase price by drowning the Egyptians in the Red Sea.

In paying that price at that time, The Lord also had freed their posterity, including these false prophets from living in that bondage, and they now enjoyed the privileged freedom, of being Jews in the Chosen Nation of Israel.

Then, here they are, lost rebels in words and deeds, opposing all of the things of God and His Goodness He had extended toward them, in having delivered and redeemed their ancestors from the bondage of Egypt, by which they were now the beneficiaries, and they were found guilty by God to be, "denying the Lord that bought them".

That is the Divine Interpretation given from the verse Peter was using.

The words, "denying", "the Lord", and "bought" mean exactly what they say, in exactly that way.