Featured Problem of there being an actual crucifixion date.

I can't find a Biblical scholar who entertains the idea the crucifixion occurred on 15 Nisan. It appears the date was not considered for obvious reasons.

We can't know the date because we cannot be certain about how dates and hours were kept in the 1st century.

You can, of course, hold an opinion but being dogmatic about your calculations is not wise.

 

Christians typically place the crucifixion on Passover Day (proper, i.e., 14 Nisan).

There are several readons:

1. The symbolism as Christ being our Passover

2. The fact that the Jews killed Jesus prior to the start of the Feast (15 Nisan)

3. The Sabbath that followed (John notes that Jesus was buried nearby because of the upcoming Sabbath)

Now, some rekon this to be 15 Nisan as it was a holy convocation and similar to a Sabbath in that the Biblical events could not have occurred on this day while others rekon this to be a Sabbath (and high day as 15 Nisan fell on this Sabbath).

The most compelling reason, to me, is the symbolism.


One good argument differentiates the killing of the passover (the family passover.....thousand of goats and lambs) with the ceremonial Passover at the Temple.

Another thing that people are divided about is when the Passover took place.

You have the Jews actually celebrating Passover on 15 Nisan. Many choose this date (typically Jews waited until after sunset....when the evening had come....to eat the meal).


I believe that Jesus arrived when even had come to the upper room and ate the pasdover meal on 14 Nisan. The following morning would be a Preparation Day for15 Nisan (and, I believe, the Sabbath) which would begin at sundown.


These are some of the readons Biblical scholars, while split over years and days, do not entertain 15 Nisan as a possible date. It is contrary to Scripture and what we do know of Jewish practices in the 1st century.

 

That is problematic.

First, we do not know what Mark meant by "the first day of unleavened bread". If Luke is correct the Passover and feast had already become synonyms.

Second, what do you mean by the afternoon of Nisan 14?

If you mean the afternoon (between the evenings) following the morning of Nisan 14 then the Kews observed Pasdover (the meal) on 15 Nisan as it was eaten after sundown.

You change the Pasdover proper to 15 Nisan.

If, however, Mark meant the Passover goats and lambs killed for the individual Jewish meals then we are talking about the evening (afternoon) before the morning of 14 Nisan. The Jews would be in their homes when evening came (sundown) and eat on 14 Nisan (Passover proper). The morning would still be 14 Nisan. And Scripture would remain intact (we don't have to ignore passages to make a timeline work.

There are a few other possibilities. For example, the priests could kill the sacrifice and perform the Pasdover ceremony at the Temple on the evening of Nisan 14 (the afternoon before the morning) and participate in a passover meal on 14 Nisan (when the sun went down) and it still be considered 14 Nisan.

Your date does not work because it violates too many passages and what is known of the 1st century Jewish laws.

You can't say "per Exodus" because we are talking about what Mark observed (Mark lived in the 1st century). Per Exodus Mary could not have gone to the tomb in the morning while it was still dark. Per Mark, she did. Per your counting Ester couldn't have fasted 3 days and 3 nights. But Scrioture says she did.

 

Both. It is God's Word but it is also Mark's observations.

Same with Paul. Paul's epistles are Hod's Words but they are also Paul's account at the same time.

Neither God or Mark were liars in the passages.

The problem is that you are looking to Scripture to provide what is not there (an exact date for the crucifixion) and in the process you have elevated your understanding-calculations to essential for the Christian faith (the comments that knowing the date is evidence, the importance of calculating a date, etc).


The Gospel accounts are not secret messages to be decoded using Exodus as a key.

We simply do not know how the leadership planned tge times in the 1st century.

They murdered Jesus. Jesus called them a "synagogue of Satan". Jesus condemned their laws.

You say that they were faithful to the Law in their rituals, except they were unfaithful to the Law if it causes issues with your calculations.

I believe that you are depending too much on your own understanding on a calculation that does not matter at all.

 

I am closing this thread (and others regarding the topic).

Three reasons:

1. While we can theorize several possible dates for the crucifixion, it is impossible to know as fact.

2. This topic has not advanced in content. Quantity does not equate to quality.

3. Several times it has been stated that to deny one person's calculations is to deny God's Word.

Thread is closed. Others will simply follow suit.


IF a member desires to start a new thread regarding the topic then please feel free to do so. This post applies only to the multiple threads open at this time.

But please do so with the understanding that declaring other members who disagree with your calculations or interpretations are rejecting Scripture will result in an appropriate warning.