Historical usage of Words reveals the Contextual Meaning

SavedByGrace said:

You don't like being told that you are WRONG

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Notice the effort to change the subject to my behavior. This is the calling card of those attempting to derail discussion of Bible Study and the results that identify false doctrine like the following:

Van said:

Acts of the Apostles 16:14 (NASB)
"A woman named Lydia was listening; she was a seller of purple fabrics from the city of Thyatira, and a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul."

How had Lydia's heart been opened by the Lord so she took heed of what Paul was saying? She was a worshiper of God, so believed in God and desired to act according to His will. Paul was telling the audience the "ordinances of God (Acts 16:4) which primarily is to believe in Christ and in Him who sent Him.

Note that the false claim this verse shows God doing a "supernatural work in a person's heart" is totally based on reading into a vague phrase, an unsupported addition to the text.

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Notice how Van makes himself to be wiser than the Spirt who chose the exact phrasing of what He inspired to be written--"the Lord opened her heart." Van claims that this is "a vague phrase," yet somehow, we are supposed to accept his biased explanation that he offers that denies that the phrase denotes a supernatural work of God.

Try again to handle the text without distorting what the text says. The text says that God opened her heart. You do not get to explain away explicit revelation from the Spirit.

@Van. Here’s an “All” for you

In II Thess 3:2, Paul writes “not all have faith”

does that really mean all?

Scripture More Accurately said:

Notice how Van makes himself to be wiser than the Spirt who chose the exact phrasing of what He inspired to be written--"the Lord opened her heart." Van claims that this is "a vague phrase," yet somehow, we are supposed to accept his biased explanation that he offers that denies that the phrase denotes a supernatural work of God.

Try again to handle the text without distorting what the text says. The text says that God opened her heart. You do not get to explain away explicit revelation from the Spirit.

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This phrase is vague folks, as it does say whether God opened her heart by providing an understandable explanation, revelatory grace, or whether He altered her ability to understand using "irresistible grace." I am charged with making myself wiser than the Spirit, but those who go with a much more inventive explanation are not. Go figure.

Now take a studied look at Acts 17:3:

Here the same Greek word that was translated "opening" in Acts 16:14) is now translated as "explaining." So the bogus charge of SMA must also be applied to all who understand the word's meaning according to its historical and contextual meaning. No need to figure.

Marooncat79 said:

@Van. Here’s an “All” for you

In II Thess 3:2, Paul writes “not all have faith”

does that really mean all?

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LOL, all always means all. DUH

The issue, if this is not too deep, is all of what? Here all refers to men (humans) and not all humans have faith. This is obvious.

Van said:

False teachers attack truth by redefining the meaning of words.

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Lol...

kyredneck said:

Lol...

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Opening = historical meaning - explaining, making clear.
Opening = redefined meaning - irresistible grace.

Those that use vague phrases and words to pour false doctrine into the text sometimes charge those posting an historical meaning based on context with their mendacity.

All things = contextual meaning - all of the things in view.
The things = contextual meaning - the things, whether all or part, of whatever is in view contextually.

Van said:

How many times does this need to be explained, the context of 1 Corinthians 2:14

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How many times does this need to be explained? The context shows two kinds of men.

One is born of the spirit and is able to know the things of God:

12 But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things that were freely given to us of God.

The other is the natural man, void of the spirit, and is unable to discern the things of the spirit of God (John 3:3), in fact they're foolishness to him (1 Corinthians 1:18):

14 Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The 'thing' most foolish to him is THE GOSPEL:

18 For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God. 1 Cor 1

kyredneck said:

How many times does this need to be explained? The context shows two kinds of men.

One is born of the spirit and is able to know the things of God:

12 But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things that were freely given to us of God.

The other is the natural man, void of the spirit, and is unable to discern the things of the spirit of God (John 3:3), in fact they're foolishness to him (1 Corinthians 1:18):

14 Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The 'thing' most foolish to him is THE GOSPEL:

18 For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God. 1 Cor 1

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Once again this poster ignores the issue and fills his post with non-germane verbiage.

1) Is that fact 1 Corinthians 2:14 addresses two kinds of people, those indwelt and those not indwelt is dispute? Nope

2) Is the fact the one indwelt is able to know the things of God in dispute? Nope

3) Is the fact the one indwelt was freely given the Spirit so that they could know the things of God in dispute? Nope

4) What is the difference between those who are perishing and those who are being saved. Those who do not believe the gospel are perishing, and those who believe the gospel are being saved. Both of these two groups were "natural" (not indwelt) when they received or have not received the gospel message.

5) Once again 1 Corinthians 2:14 does not say, "all the things" and based on 1 Corinthians 3:1, the things the non-indwelt person cannot receive are the spiritual solid food things, because Paul spoke "as to men of flesh" using the spiritual milk things.

Van said:

"all the things" and based on 1 Corinthians 3:1,

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So, the gospel is foolishness to these 'babes in Christ'? That goes far beyond mere 'carnality'.

18 For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God. 1 Cor 1

14 Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually discerned 1 Cor 2

kyredneck said:

So, the gospel is foolishness to these 'babes in Christ'? That goes far beyond mere 'carnality'.

18 For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God. 1 Cor 1

14 Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually discerned 1 Cor 2

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On and on, one bogus claim after another, with no quotes. Obviously no said the gospel was foolishness to babes in Christ!!!!!!
Are babes in Christ perishing? Nope, they have received the gospel.

Folks, do not become blinded by false doctrines from the dark ages.

Van said:

On and on, one bogus claim after another, with no quotes.

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No quotes? You're just as dishonest as another ranting anti-Cal I know. I provided TWO quotes from scripture.

What prevents you from discerning that 1:18 and 2:14 are speaking of the same man?:

18 For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God. 1 Cor 1

14 Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually discerned 1 Cor 2

...and that 3:1 is in no way related?:

1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, as unto babes in Christ. 1 Cor 3

kyredneck said:

No quotes? You're just as dishonest as another ranting anti-Cal I know. I provided TWO quotes from scripture.
SNIP

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1) Note the post opens with an ad homenim, the calling card of falsehood.

2) Note the effort at insinuating guilt by association, yet another calling card of falsehood.

3) The quote in view was not referring to the non-germane verbiage, but to this false allegation:

Here is my actual quote:

Van said:

Here is my actual quote: Once again 1 Corinthians 2:14 does not say, "all the things" and based on 1 Corinthians 3:1, the things the non-indwelt person cannot receive are the spiritual solid food things, because Paul spoke "as to men of flesh" using the spiritual milk things.

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What prevents you from discerning that 1:18 and 2:14 are speaking of the same man?:

18 For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God. 1 Cor 1

14 Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually discerned 1 Cor 2

...and that 3:1 is in no way related?:

1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, as unto babes in Christ. 1 Cor 3

kyredneck said:

What prevents you from discerning that 1:18 and 2:14 are speaking of the same man?:

18 For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God. 1 Cor 1

14 Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually discerned 1 Cor 2

...and that 3:1 is in no way related?:

1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, as unto babes in Christ. 1 Cor 3

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What prevents you from addressing the issue, rather than making false claims about me?

Are babes in Christ perishing? Nope, they have received the gospel.

Folks, do not become blinded by false doctrines from the dark ages.
4) What is the difference between those who are perishing and those who are being saved. Those who do not believe the gospel are perishing, and those who believe the gospel are being saved. Both of these two groups were "natural" (not indwelt) when they received or have not received the gospel message.

5) Once again 1 Corinthians 2:14 does not say, "all the things" and based on 1 Corinthians 3:1, the things the non-indwelt person cannot receive are the spiritual solid food things, because Paul spoke "as to men of flesh" using the spiritual milk things. The gospel is spiritual milk, not spiritual solid food.

Why did Paul speak to new Christians in the same why He spoke to non-Christians? Because both can understand and grow from God's revelation, the fundamentals of the Gospel, the Spiritual Milk for the lost.