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Featured Romans 9 Isn't What You Think It Is - continued...

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by CJP69, Jun 4, 2024.

  1. DaveXR650

    DaveXR650 Well-Known Member

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    If you are not lying about this then you won't be reading my reply, now would you.
    But anyway, in case someone else might still see this.
    I don't like calling myself a Calvinist because I disagree with it on two points that a staunch Calvinist would insist on. But, my views on theology are very close to John Owen, Edwards, and especially the newer Calvinists like J.C. Ryle, Horatius Bonar, and Charles Spurgeon. For you to make these accusations against me without you having any understanding of what these guys taught frankly makes you look like a complete idiot. You either make a specific point about something I have said or shut up.
     
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  2. JD731

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    So we now know what you think about the people on these boards and your assessment of most Christians. And we know what you think of yourself because you have told us that too. I heard a preacher say this one time and thought it was a saying to remember. Pride is a sickness that infects one and makes him feel really good while it makes everyone around him sick.
     
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  3. CJP69

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    Good bye!
     
  4. CJP69

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    People on these boards, yes. Most Christians, certainly not.

    If you can refute a syllable of what I've said, I'd hear it gladly. You won't even try.

    Tell me again why I should care what you think of me?

    Right back at ya, hypocrite!
     
  5. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Isn’t it disconcerting to be called stupid by a fellow Christian ( or at one claiming to be one)?
     
  6. Earth Wind and Fire

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    I applaud your answer…well done:Thumbsup
     
  7. CJP69

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    It is more disconcerting to find the levels of stupidity that is common among those who call themselves Christians, not to mention the level of ignorance it takes to think that being nice to aggressively stupid people is a trait worth lauding to the point of having as a test of faith and piety.

    Next you'll be telling me how it's wrong to judge.
     
  8. Alan Gross

    Alan Gross Well-Known Member

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    Everything you've posted on this
    Romans 9 Isn't What You Think It Is
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    and the first one, is all wrong...

    What do you call that, then?

    What's your judgment on that?

    You think you'll get it 'right' in a way God agrees with?
     
  9. Earth Wind and Fire

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    I personally don’t give a fart what you think, see your a jackass and you gots an attitude. In days gone by, people like you would be taken off this board but today insulting brethren is just OK for your ilk so go ahead and flap your mouth… it will catch up to you, guaranteed.
     
  10. CJP69

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    Why?

    It isn't because I call people names, is it?

    You seem to have taken it up quite naturally.

    The difference between you and I is that I do it for cause, you do it because you're a hypocrite who can't stand for someone to speak the truth.

    Graduated to threats, have we, or are you appealing to justice, the very sort of justice that, if I deserved it, would prove your doctrine false?!

    You make me want to laugh on the one hand and want to vomit on the other. You're perfectly fine with people insulting the character of God so long as they do it nicely but when someone shows up to defend the honor of God and who doesn't care who gets offended by it, you're the first to judge, to condemn, to insult and to threaten. If it weren't so idiotically depraved it would be funny.

    Go somewhere and hide yourself really good so that you can watch as see whether I lose even one wink of sleep worrying about either your threats or your prophecies of a coming kind of justice that you know nor care anything about.
     
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  11. Alan Gross

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    What have you seen to be someone doing what you are calling,
    "insulting the character of God"?
    ...

    What quick examples of where you say you would be one that
    "shows up to defend the honor of God" could you quote us real quick?
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    "you're the first to judge, to condemn";
    "to insult and to threaten";
    ...
     
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    Romans 9 is about the sovereignty Of God exercised through election.
     
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    Silly!

    There is no doctrine in the scriptures that God has called sovereignty. The earth is the LORD's and the fullness thereof, he says. From the beginning he has let it out to stewards. who must at some point give account of their stewardship.

    Ps 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD’S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

    Personally, I think you are probably too wise to be tricked into believing a doctrine that is not even in the scriptures. It would not make sense.
     
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    Psalm 115.3 “Our God is in heaven; he does whatever pleases him.”
    Isaiah 61:1 “The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners.”

    That is Sovereignty.
     
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    Since this is a Baptist Board, we can throw John Calvin out the window and call ourselves Particular Baptists (as we have for 400 years).
     
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  16. JD731

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    You have obviously missed the memo;

    3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.

    What pleased him? Can we know? does he say?

    Yes, in fact he says;

    15 Ye are blessed of the LORD which made heaven and earth.
    16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD’S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

    He could have kept them all because he made them but it pleased him to give the earth to the children of men.

    See how easy this is?
     
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    Would you agree with this description of Particular Baptists?

    Particular Baptists are so-called because they believe in "particular" or limited atonement. Since they hold a Reformed theological, or Calvinistic, view of the atonement, Particular Baptists are also sometimes called "Reformed Baptists."

    Today the Particular Baptists hold to five-point Calvinism.

    Particular, or Reformed, Baptists hold to a Bible-based theology and follow the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith.
    The Particular Baptist Church – What is it? What do Particular Baptists believe?
     
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  18. atpollard

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    Yes, but there are two important things to remember (other than the fact that nearly everyone defines Calvinist differently since there is no “Calvinist” book or denomination to set a definitive definition … even John Calvin was not a ‘5-point Calvinist’):

    1. As Baptists, we disagree with our Reformed brothers on several important points found in things like the Westminster Confession of Faith.
    2. The Doctrines of Grace [TULIP] are not “The Institutes” by John Calvin. One may embrace TULIP without embracing every doctrine found in The Institutes.
     
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    Are you saying God has abdicated control?
    Isn’t that Deism?
     
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    Since you hold to the DoG how do you square them with the character of God?
    Where do you find contextual scriptural support for your view?
     
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