Did John Calvin create Tulip?
so you are saying you have to be a Calvinist to believe in Grace? How about we back up a little, What is the definition of Grace… and who supplies it?
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Appointed To Eternal Life?
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Brightfame52
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Im saying TULIP is the Gospel of Gods Grace, you draw your own conclusions
Don’t have to …it’s taken from scripture to formulate a workable systematic format The starting point for any system of doctrine ought to be the greater glory of God. This is why in and of themselves, the Five Points are not the heart of Calvinism ; they simply serve to explain distinct aspects found in scripture piecing together the theology of salvation. Each of the doctrines draw attention away from human beings accomplishments declaring that Jonah 2:9 .. “ Salvation is of the Lord.”
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Brightfame52
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Be that as it may, Tulip is the Gospel
Silverhair
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Since you seem to have a different understanding of what "Whole World" means then you should provide your definition.
To help you out I copied these from
Dictionary.com
Whole
adjective
- comprising the full quantity, amount, extent, number, etc., without diminution or exception; entire, full, or total:
noun
- the earth or globe, considered as a planet.
- (often initial capital letter) a particular division of the earth:
the Western world. - the earth or a part of it, with its inhabitants, affairs, etc., during a particular period:
the ancient world. - humankind; the human race; humanity:
The world must eliminate war and poverty. - the public generally:
The whole world knows it. - the class of persons devoted to the affairs, interests, or pursuits of this life:
The world worships success. - a particular class of people, with common interests, aims, etc.:
the fashionable world. - any sphere, realm, or domain, with all pertaining to it:
a child's world; the world of dreams; the insect world. - everything that exists; the universe; the macrocosm.
- any complex whole conceived as resembling the universe:
the world of the microcosm. - one of the three general groupings of physical nature:
animal world; mineral world; vegetable world. - any period, state, or sphere of existence:
this world; the world to come. - Often worlds. a great deal:
That vacation was worlds of fun. - any indefinitely great expanse.
- any heavenly body:
the starry worlds.
I have already done that on another thread
Isn’t that what I said?
Brightfame52
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Yes
37818
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There is only one correct answer. The whole is all.
. . . Who gave himself a ransom for all, . . .
Also . . . He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
Brightfame52
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Godisgracious1031
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I do believe in Gospel of grace
Where does grace come from…an is there a merit to grace, ie., did we have to do something to receive grace or was it an unedited gift from God?
GodisgraciousR325
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Grace is not of works, its something we don't deserve.
Yet we’re availed to Gods grace as a gift of love. So isn’t it true that we love Himecause He first loved us! What a pleasant thought.
GodisgraciousR325
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Yes, and the RCC doctrine is that works is needed plus grace through faith. Anyways, is it really true that `he` in that verse is real as some versions do not say `he`.
Let’s not get into RCCdoctrine in a Baptist forum. There are people who are saved in every Church but I personally have many disagreements with the RCC theology but great respect for some of their people who have devoted their lives to Christ…and in this Christmas season, I’d just prefer peace.
David Lamb
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As you were replying to somebody who had mentioned us loving God because He has first loved us, I am assuming that by "that verse" you mean:
“We love Him because He first loved us.” (1Jo 4:19 NKJV)
If so, I have just checked, and it seems to be the word "Him", not "he," that some versions omit. For instance, the Good News Bible has:
We love because God first loved us.
GodisgraciousR325
Member
Yes, they remove the `him`.
BTW David, are you…or perhaps better, have you ever come across the formation story of the Welsh Baptist Church of 60AD? I remember speaking with a Briton of both Walsh & English heritage I think who told this story of Welch serving in the Roman Legiions to some capacity and being converted to Christianity, and taking it back to Briton years later. I’ve also seen it chronicled in Primitive Baptist history. Any light you can shed on it is appreciated.